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      "body": "I'm responding here to a [blog post about the “scientific” basis for Jesus Christ](https://steemit.com/religion/@gavvet/is-there-a-scientific-basis-for-jesus-christ). Whatever it was, it wasn’t scientific.\n\nIt started with a picture of Mormon Jesus. The painting shows a white man in a red robe with a Nordic nose, and a blonde beard. It is exactly how you would expect a first century Jewish man to look (if you are the Mormon curriculum department). But if the Mormon Church can’t prove that Jesus _did_ look like that picture, I can’t prove that he _didn’t_, can I? I'll get back to that.\n\n<center>http://i.imgur.com/lxaRgIN.jpg</center>\n\nThe argument in the [post](https://steemit.com/religion/@gavvet/is-there-a-scientific-basis-for-jesus-christ) went something like this (with some salvation/thermodynamics [word salad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad) thrown in at the end):\n\n1. Jesus had God powers.\n2. Only someone with a God parent could have God powers.\n3. Jesus had such a parent.\n4. Therefore, science.\n\nThe first three claims _are_ logically consistent. \"Logically consistent\" is _not_ the same as \"scientific.\" There is no [testable hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testability) in this argument. In fact, the only statement that could even be _examined_ for empirical accuracy is “Jesus had God powers.” That is precisely the statement that the author said he was not going to defend (\"We cannot examine these claims on whether these event took place\"). There is no practical test for claim 1 any more than there is a practical way to test whether Historical Jesus looked like that [Red Robe Jesus painting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_Parson). \n\nScience has _testable claims_. This does not. Therefore, this is not science.",
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