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      "body": "I like Rob's answer, and it corrects some of my errors.  I added a little blob in the steemit threads, but you know my bias is being in support of it.  I think I understand that your main concern is that there was not a big, public discussion about the rate change.\n\nIn the last 4 months and a few hundred hours syncing my own brain on GRC, it seemed a perfectly rational decision. I do not know if Rob, Phil, and the other early whales/founders had side discussions, but I know the dev community earns that pay. (It's not full-time pay, and they under-bill a lot.)\n\nIt's just my perspective from a consulting background, and the last 4 months.  I have no authority with GRC, and am a very long way off from being able to do work that would be considered for compensation.",
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      "body": "This is probably it.  I think I posted a 22m, but there are other early investor addresses that still have high balances.  The explorer only knows two addresses as foundation wallets.  I totally forgot about change addresses, which are not really trackable after branching when not staking / CPID / Linked.",
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      "body": "Lately I've been trying to communicate the dev's work to the community more effectively in my new position.  Let me know how I can improve.  Current plans are weekly or every other week postings about dev happenings (unless there is an update that week which takes priority).",
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      "body": "Let me reword it: We had a test with 30$ payment fore developers. \nAnd then, without discussion, without looking at the test, evaluating it and looking what we could learn for it, we had this vote *doubling* the pay for an indefinite time and indefinite amount.  \n\nEverywhere else - company, political party, public institution - you would have been fired for such behavior. \n\nDo you now understand my problem with it?",
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      "body": "If I would be a programmer I would, but I am not. \nAnd I didn't say that we should not pay that. I did say that doubling the rate from a test without discussion is a very bad idea.",
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      "body": "Yes, indeed, I thought the same. There is no reliability and that is bad. \nThis is not the \"fault\" of the volunteers, it is just how things work in a crowd of volunteers with no strict goals.",
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      "body": "\"We all know that the last big update didn’t went that well.\"  This is a false statement.  They didn't \"put out a bad release\".  The bugs were old code from before.  The forking bug was a time-bomb in the code that activated between releases.\n\n###\n\nPublicly posting \"WTF, $60?\" says \"I do not think their time is worth that.\" \n\nBased on western world expenses and pay rates, $60 per hour gross, when it's paid out of free money, is an amazing bargain, for the level of developer skill being applied to GRC.\n\n### \n\nWhat are your concerns with the foundation wallet?\n\n* The dev compensation program is being paid for by Rob, from his own wallet.\n\n* The Foundation Cold Wallet moved to https://gridcoinstats.eu/address/S8VRnqQ1JZDuwSRxK4b94MiaArVULjgRUX in 2017 and has not spent any coins since then.\n\n* The Foundation Hot Wallet was cleared out in 2015. https://gridcoinstats.eu/address/RxQ8ycWDTajwAKeaU9MhyitDY54YRm1GfS\n\n###\n\nIt seems most people on the network are okay:\n\n* The voice of the owner of the coins is \"This is what I want to pay them.\"\n* The voice of the people is \"the proposed compensation is acceptable.\"\n* The voice of the dissenting vote is 10%.\n\n###\n\nFor the other things, what pieces can you step up and do?\n\n* You mention Twitter should have had more updates.  Why don't you step up as communications resource?\n* Yes, the documentation is scattered, and it can be difficult to get set up.  Why don't you write a how-to document that's more up-to-date?\n* If you think $60/hr is too much, then why not do the work for less?",
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      "body": "Part of the issue here is that someone has to step up to make those announcements.  Who is going to monitor the channels constantly, and release info?  Do you really think it's the best use of a developer's time to have them stop coding, flush their mental buffers, and post a status update daily?  \n\nMarcos posted weekly.  Play by Play, minute by minute communication takes a dedicated communications resource.  All GRC has right now are random people deciding to make posts here or there.  Sometimes someone makes posts for several months at a time, and then they stop.\n\nConsider what it would take to make you personally commit to that effort, long term.  It's likely, that is a starting point for making it happen.  Right now operations is pinned posts in slack.  Does all of that need to be on the public wiki?  Does there need to be a team of communicators?  How do you authenticate that they are truly communicating on behalf of GRC?\n\nThe most simple things  are often the most complicated to make happen.",
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      "body": "I'll respond to confrontational posts and false information with confrontational, and corrective replies.\n\n###\n\n\"We all know that the last big update didn’t went that well.\"  This is a false statement.  They didn't \"put out a bad release\".  The bugs were old code from before.  The forking bug was a time-bomb in the code that activated between releases.\n\n###\n\nPublicly posting \"WTF, $60?\" says \"I do not think their time is worth that.\" \nBased on western world expenses and pay rates, $60 per hour gross, when it's paid out of free money, is an amazing bargain, for the level of developer skill being applied to GRC.\n\nThere is a whole lot more to say about how you worded this, but  I think it is based in basing your expectations on a lack of context.\n\n### \n\nWhat are your concerns with the foundation wallet?\n\n* The dev compensation program is being paid for by Rob, from his own wallet.\n\n* The Foundation Cold Wallet moved to https://gridcoinstats.eu/address/S8VRnqQ1JZDuwSRxK4b94MiaArVULjgRUX in 2017 and has not spent any coins since then.\n\n* The Foundation Hot Wallet was cleared out in 2015. https://gridcoinstats.eu/address/RxQ8ycWDTajwAKeaU9MhyitDY54YRm1GfS\n\n###\n\nRegardless as to why you have a problem with this:\n\n* The voice of the people is \"the proposed compensation is acceptable.\"\n* The voice of the owner of the coins is \"This is what I want to pay them.\"\n* The voice of your dissenting vote is 10% of the other vote.\n\n###\n\nThe other things you complain about, if you really want them fixed, then you need to do the work.\n\n* If you think Twitter should have had more updates, then instead of complaining after it's all fixed, you should have offered to make the tweets.\n\n* If you think the documentation is horrible for newbies, then instead of complaining about it, why don't you write up a better document?\n\n* If you think $60/hr is too much for anyone to make, then do the work for less.",
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