Ecoer Logo
VOTING POWER100.00%
DOWNVOTE POWER100.00%
RESOURCE CREDITS100.00%
REPUTATION PROGRESS0.00%
Net Worth
0.009USD
STEEM
0.000STEEM
SBD
0.000SBD
Effective Power
5.001SP
├── Own SP
0.170SP
└── Incoming Deleg
+4.831SP

Detailed Balance

STEEM
balance
0.000STEEM
market_balance
0.000STEEM
savings_balance
0.000STEEM
reward_steem_balance
0.000STEEM
STEEM POWER
Own SP
0.170SP
Delegated Out
0.000SP
Delegation In
4.831SP
Effective Power
5.001SP
Reward SP (pending)
0.000SP
SBD
sbd_balance
0.000SBD
sbd_conversions
0.000SBD
sbd_market_balance
0.000SBD
savings_sbd_balance
0.000SBD
reward_sbd_balance
0.000SBD
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  "reward_steem_balance": "0.000 STEEM",
  "vesting_shares": "277.332844 VESTS",
  "delegated_vesting_shares": "0.000000 VESTS",
  "received_vesting_shares": "7866.326962 VESTS",
  "sbd_balance": "0.000 SBD",
  "savings_sbd_balance": "0.000 SBD",
  "reward_sbd_balance": "0.000 SBD",
  "conversions": []
}

Account Info

namewimpethomas
id1105605
rank239,830
reputation755859807
created2018-08-14T17:07:12
recovery_accountsteem
proxyNone
post_count5
comment_count0
lifetime_vote_count0
witnesses_voted_for0
last_post2018-09-30T11:26:42
last_root_post2018-09-10T11:50:54
last_vote_time2018-09-14T12:11:27
proxied_vsf_votes0, 0, 0, 0
can_vote1
voting_power0
delayed_votes0
balance0.000 STEEM
savings_balance0.000 STEEM
sbd_balance0.000 SBD
savings_sbd_balance0.000 SBD
vesting_shares277.332844 VESTS
delegated_vesting_shares0.000000 VESTS
received_vesting_shares7866.326962 VESTS
reward_vesting_balance0.000000 VESTS
vesting_balance0.000 STEEM
vesting_withdraw_rate0.000000 VESTS
next_vesting_withdrawal1969-12-31T23:59:59
withdrawn0
to_withdraw0
withdraw_routes0
savings_withdraw_requests0
last_account_recovery1970-01-01T00:00:00
reset_accountnull
last_owner_update1970-01-01T00:00:00
last_account_update1970-01-01T00:00:00
minedNo
sbd_seconds0
sbd_last_interest_payment1970-01-01T00:00:00
savings_sbd_last_interest_payment1970-01-01T00:00:00
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  "json_metadata": "{}",
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  "last_owner_update": "1970-01-01T00:00:00",
  "last_account_update": "1970-01-01T00:00:00",
  "created": "2018-08-14T17:07:12",
  "mined": false,
  "recovery_account": "steem",
  "last_account_recovery": "1970-01-01T00:00:00",
  "reset_account": "null",
  "comment_count": 0,
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  "post_count": 5,
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  "voting_manabar": {
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    "last_update_time": 1779092061
  },
  "downvote_manabar": {
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    "last_update_time": 1779092061
  },
  "voting_power": 0,
  "balance": "0.000 STEEM",
  "savings_balance": "0.000 STEEM",
  "sbd_balance": "0.000 SBD",
  "sbd_seconds": "0",
  "sbd_seconds_last_update": "2018-09-03T10:02:33",
  "sbd_last_interest_payment": "1970-01-01T00:00:00",
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  "savings_sbd_last_interest_payment": "1970-01-01T00:00:00",
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  "proxied_vsf_votes": [
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    0
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  "witnesses_voted_for": 0,
  "last_post": "2018-09-30T11:26:42",
  "last_root_post": "2018-09-10T11:50:54",
  "last_vote_time": "2018-09-14T12:11:27",
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Withdraw Routes

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From Date
To Date
steemdelegated 4.831 SP to @wimpethomas
2026/05/18 08:14:21
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares7866.326962 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #106152992/Trx 8d3ad91de5c4bf840559305e04eb2e0441d0b6da
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steemdelegated 3.165 SP to @wimpethomas
2026/05/13 12:16:12
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares5154.116557 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #106014537/Trx db7fe17fa581bcdcc1de76964755cb6fd57a67c4
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steemdelegated 4.838 SP to @wimpethomas
2026/04/26 07:23:27
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares7878.842718 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #105520424/Trx 854ca78a995594868a5594c9d4e31b17dcff7068
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steemdelegated 3.191 SP to @wimpethomas
2026/01/24 05:16:30
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares5195.663376 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #102877524/Trx aee6b453645a3e29126694445c2dec339e725157
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steemdelegated 3.292 SP to @wimpethomas
2024/12/18 00:25:21
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares5359.882573 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #91323721/Trx a059d29087fc72114ad442fb2715c56385bbb818
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steemdelegated 3.395 SP to @wimpethomas
2023/11/14 16:04:15
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares5529.016105 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #79877813/Trx d9328130c9df3f1dea62b8d6c605f1d1c8f33543
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steemdelegated 5.199 SP to @wimpethomas
2023/09/22 12:41:57
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares8465.924891 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #78365626/Trx a3ec85530770b32fb86547a4798437871983d3b4
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steemdelegated 5.335 SP to @wimpethomas
2022/11/03 19:52:18
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares8687.976329 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #69123019/Trx 7b4e675fa1aa44a22f42ff56e27a045804b9054e
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steemdelegated 5.471 SP to @wimpethomas
2022/01/18 00:52:48
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares8908.083930 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #60826039/Trx 7244f056b3f8830fa50b9d6e0e518b8a93e741a0
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}
steemdelegated 5.584 SP to @wimpethomas
2021/06/14 07:58:51
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares9092.278218 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #54616259/Trx 5edf1c84fd43b9e9ab805be82c6958de7b61c183
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steemdelegated 5.699 SP to @wimpethomas
2020/12/11 18:09:12
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares9279.700192 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #49363459/Trx fde6fba9ed7e4730ee852b2f4f4d56ec90ade9b9
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  "op": [
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steemdelegated 1.175 SP to @wimpethomas
2020/12/06 11:44:15
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares1912.543513 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #49214972/Trx d736b1b0c8145d64a620cb9d99d4b9adf5e2e689
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  "op": [
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steemdelegated 5.703 SP to @wimpethomas
2020/12/05 21:47:00
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares9285.908046 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #49198543/Trx c929f4a1ece51d27c617af489dfa9306c704a297
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  "timestamp": "2020-12-05T21:47:00",
  "op": [
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  ]
}
steemdelegated 1.179 SP to @wimpethomas
2020/11/03 06:13:03
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares1920.017158 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #48274966/Trx f5f0b4eff910ae40eb57189e139711380e25ceec
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  "op": [
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steemdelegated 5.827 SP to @wimpethomas
2020/05/09 12:49:09
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares9488.713405 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #43225331/Trx 36643fe67aa931468cb7ded4db1d27d31b142896
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  "op": [
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steemdelegated 1.200 SP to @wimpethomas
2020/05/08 17:29:12
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares1953.311140 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #43202674/Trx 6af380ba7cb15c2425f2621646044bfe75604e00
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  "op": [
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steemdelegated 5.881 SP to @wimpethomas
2019/12/02 19:58:21
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares9576.504056 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #38693828/Trx 35de2dcf1719c76eabff7ef5d3bf22abd8c5261b
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  "op": [
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2019/08/14 20:01:06
parent authorwimpethomas
parent permlinkthe-problems-with-byteball
authorsteemitboard
permlinksteemitboard-notify-wimpethomas-20190814t200106000z
title
bodyCongratulations @wimpethomas! You received a personal award! <table><tr><td>https://steemitimages.com/70x70/http://steemitboard.com/@wimpethomas/birthday1.png</td><td>Happy Birthday! - You are on the Steem blockchain for 1 year!</td></tr></table> <sub>_You can view [your badges on your Steem Board](https://steemitboard.com/@wimpethomas) and compare to others on the [Steem Ranking](https://steemitboard.com/ranking/index.php?name=wimpethomas)_</sub> ###### [Vote for @Steemitboard as a witness](https://v2.steemconnect.com/sign/account-witness-vote?witness=steemitboard&approve=1) to get one more award and increased upvotes!
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Transaction InfoBlock #35554015/Trx ae8434362f1aaa18243a90b235f0046414d22bc6
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      "body": "Congratulations @wimpethomas! You received a personal award!\n\n<table><tr><td>https://steemitimages.com/70x70/http://steemitboard.com/@wimpethomas/birthday1.png</td><td>Happy Birthday! - You are on the Steem blockchain for 1 year!</td></tr></table>\n\n<sub>_You can view [your badges on your Steem Board](https://steemitboard.com/@wimpethomas) and compare to others on the [Steem Ranking](https://steemitboard.com/ranking/index.php?name=wimpethomas)_</sub>\n\n\n###### [Vote for @Steemitboard as a witness](https://v2.steemconnect.com/sign/account-witness-vote?witness=steemitboard&approve=1) to get one more award and increased upvotes!",
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steemdelegated 6.002 SP to @wimpethomas
2018/12/30 13:00:48
delegatorsteem
delegateewimpethomas
vesting shares9773.635133 VESTS
Transaction InfoBlock #29017240/Trx 344025695f13f237e9b1e7be4880a9719abec852
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2018/09/12 15:35:09
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2018/09/12 03:31:36
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2018/09/11 17:37:21
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bodyThanks for your reply and some additional insights. 2) I didn't know that these quotes are the results of offered bots (see bullet 3), because for me as a user it is not clear how to make an offer. My point in general is that regular users will abandon the service if quotes - for whatever reason - keep being lower than quotes on other services. Regardless the underlying reasons. 3) Thanks for that info, I didn't know that. I will look into the article. 4) Maybe the chatbot isn't the best example, but let's be honest here. The way to set up a contract (betting offer in this case) and read back the contract are way to difficult for regular users and will scare them of. It's not nitpicking, because I really hope for this platform to succeed and I am more than willing to tolerate shortcomings because of the platforms novelty, but no substantial growth will happen with this user interface.
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2018/09/11 12:05:18
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2018/09/11 11:44:18
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body1) Yes, this is a problem of all cryptocurrencies, but there isn't any good solution for that problem other than adding a support for some stable coin like Tether. Many exchanges do that because they don't have a bank account, which would let them can't accept real fiat money for cryptocurrencies. Maybe some wallets support multiple cryptocurrencies and some of them are stablecoins, but generally, if you need to interact with blockchain of any cryptocurrency, you need to use native currency. For some, it is because that is the only currency there is on that cryptocurrency platform and for others that is a only currency that miners only accept. For example, you can't send ERC20 tokens on Ethereum without paying the fees in ETH. The price volatility is because cryptocurrencies are still too small, there aren't enough people to get it more stable because there is always some people who could dump their coins at low price. Another reason for it could be that it is so easy to do with cryptocurrencies, but so much difficult to do with fiat money. 2) Fees on Byteball are super cheap, usually a transaction cost on Byteball is less than 1000 bytes, which costs around $0.00005. You are not betting against the bot, you are betting against other people who have offered those odds. The odds difference between what is shown on [OddsChecker](https://www.oddschecker.com/) and [BB Odds](https://bb-odds.herokuapp.com/) is not because bot fees, but because these are the odds that other users have offered. Also, the whole premise of blockchain is not cutting the costs, it is to get rid of the middlemen who block you from sending the money or who could deny payout to you even if you won by having the funds in smart-contract, not in hands of middleman. If you think that these odds are horrible (which they aren't) then you could offer better odds yourself, if you were sure that 2.06 was too low odd for Atlanta Braves to lose against Boston Red Sox, you could have gone to [bet maker mode on BB Odds](https://bb-odds.herokuapp.com/maker.html) and offered the odds that you would think are fair, if you have money deposited to bot, next time anybody thinking that Atlanta Braves will win would have taken your offered bet. 3) Betting on Byteball has evolved a lot and what you are describing is the foundation of sports betting and how it can be done with the help of Sports Oracle bot and direct chat with somebody you know. The next layer on top of that was Sports Betting Bot, which takes care of the issue of finding the other counterpart and lets people just put up the odds and anybody could take them via the bot. It is exactly the exchange what you are describing, but it is even better because you don't have to pick any single offer with best odds, it will automatically compose you the smart-contract with the best odds depending on the amount you want to bet on. Third layer is the web interface of BB Odds, which makes using the bot even easier because you can see all the bets at once, you can change the odd formats and lot more, it's basically a gateway to Sports Betting bot bets without the need to navigate in the chatbot. Since you missed the difference of all those 3 things, I guess I can agree that the funnel of directing the users to right services could be better, but if you are interested to read more about the evolution of sports betting on Byteball then you can do it there https://medium.com/byteball/new-tool-makes-the-byteball-betting-bot-more-user-friendly-and-enticing-to-both-cryptocurrency-7191f14a7460 4) This one just feels like you are nitpicking on random things. Do you really think that if the chat response that is in black color and a link color that is blue doesn't make it clear that users can click it? Because that what links do on web and on chats, they are in different color than rest of the text and you can click on them. Also, open up any other chat app and you will see that there is a button(s) next to the text box where you can type and when you click on it, it offers you other stuff that you can insert into the message. Anybody familiar with any chatting app should feel home with Byteball app because it works like rest of the chatting apps. This is one of the core difference from other cryptocurrencies, which build different UI for different services, on Byteball, all apps work similar way, as chatbots. And some like Sports Betting bot even have web interfaces if chatbots are still too revolutionary for you.
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2018/09/10 15:16:54
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bodyCongratulations @wimpethomas! You have completed the following achievement on the Steem blockchain and have been rewarded with new badge(s) : [![](https://steemitimages.com/70x70/http://steemitboard.com/notifications/firstpost.png)](http://steemitboard.com/@wimpethomas) You published your First Post <sub>_Click on the badge to view your Board of Honor._</sub> <sub>_If you no longer want to receive notifications, reply to this comment with the word_ `STOP`</sub> **Do not miss the last post from @steemitboard:** <table><tr><td><a href="https://steemit.com/steemitboard/@steemitboard/steemitboard-witness-update-2018-09-07"><img src="https://steemitimages.com/64x128/http://i.cubeupload.com/7CiQEO.png"></a></td><td><a href="https://steemit.com/steemitboard/@steemitboard/steemitboard-witness-update-2018-09-07">SteemitBoard - Witness Update</a></td></tr><tr><td><a href="https://steemit.com/steemfest/@steemitboard/steemfest-steemitboard-support-the-travel-reimbursement-fund"><img src="https://steemitimages.com/64x128/https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmawPYDAwfrQM8YU6ejD1f87g64cvsmEFn8RQKHJMs4zxg/image.png"></a></td><td><a href="https://steemit.com/steemfest/@steemitboard/steemfest-steemitboard-support-the-travel-reimbursement-fund">SteemFest³ - SteemitBoard support the Travel Reimbursement Fund.</a></td></tr></table> > Support [SteemitBoard's project](https://steemit.com/@steemitboard)! **[Vote for its witness](https://v2.steemconnect.com/sign/account-witness-vote?witness=steemitboard&approve=1)** and **get one more award**!
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2018/09/10 13:16:39
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bodyGood article, but I wrote a 'counter' article. I like Byteball, but I think it has some essential flaws, see https://steemit.com/byteball/@wimpethomas/the-problems-with-byteball. Let me know what you think about it.
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2018/09/10 11:50:54
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bodyLet me begin to say that I really want to like Byteball. I like crypto tokens that are used in a working product that have - more or less - 'usefull' features and solve real problems. And I do agree with most of the points @ctrl-alt-nwo points out in the article https://steemit.com/byteball/@ctrl-alt-nwo/byteball-reasons-why-it-s-a-good-crypto-and-why-steemians-should-hang-on-to-their-free-bytes. But I think the product has some big hurdles to overcome before a significant amount of people will start to use it. The main problems Byteball are facing are in my view: 1) People want to use fiat for crypto services. I know, this is a general problem for cryptocurrencies and also true for Byteball. Easily send or receive money (via text message or 'the regular way'), betting on sport events or insure yourself against flight delays, these are usefull things, but a lot less usefull if you have to use GBYTEs instead of your local currency. And I know that's just psychological, but it is the way 99% of the people see it right now. Dollars and euros are a store of value and unit of accounting, maybe even BTC, but GBYTEs are certainly not. And that is why I don't understand the following is the number one priority for all crypto products right now. Let people use the existing services by paying in their local fiat, let them pay an extra fee for converting to the utility token in question and use the service. So suppose a user can buy a flight delay insurance and can pay in euros. He doesn't have to worry about the GBYTE/EUR price fluctuation and he knows exactly how much he pays for the insurance and what he will receive (in euros) in case of a flight delay. It will mean that the GBYTE token has little value because the demand is limited, but that's only in the beginning. Eventually more and more people will use Byteball and gradually people will see benefit in keeping some GBYTES in their wallet (lower fees) and the price of GBYTES will rise. Most important, it will drive the most important thing for any product or service: user adoption. 2) The features that Byteball offers should be cheaper / more efficient than similar existing products. The current features are neither, although I think the flight delay insurance service is the best shot so far (by the way I think insurances in general is a great use case for decentralized crypto products). Consider the sports betting service. When you bet against the bot the offered quotes are worse than the quotes on any commercial online betting site. So what is the use of the service? The whole premise of blockchain technology is that you can cut the middlemen and thereby reduce costs and be cheaper. So why are these Byteball quotes so terrible? ![Betting-compared.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmQWCWmAtD9R5aiAheBg5KmfxPiC5kdWQNGmgDZ6VSKe3E/Betting-compared.jpg) 3) Some feautures are extremely hard to use. For example the peer to peer sports betting. I like the idea in general and was curious to try it out. What I had in mind was a sort of a peer to peer betting exchange where you can offer and accept bets. So you can see per match what bets other people are offering. You can then accept the best offer or you can place a better offer. Something like that. I was wrong and the execution of the p2p betting function is devious. First you have to connect with your peer via the chat feature in a Whatsapp like way (invite and accept). Byteball calls this adding a device. After adding your peer you start a chat and ask your peer to send his wallet adress. You can then click on the adress and make and offer a contract. When making the contract you have to know some things beforhand, which makes the process even more cumbersome. You need to know the feed name and in order to know the feed name you have to search through the sports betting bot first. You also need to have an agreement with your peer about the amount of GBYTES both of you want to bet on, otherwise there is no sense in offering the contract. Finally, when you made it till this stage and you made the bet with your peer, it's also unclear how to collect your GBYTEs when you win the bet. If you are familiar with how smart contracts work you know that a smart contract has it's own wallet and it makes sense that you have to transfer your gains from that wallet to your own wallet. Regular users won't understand this and wonder how they will get their GBYTEs. 4) The user interface is challenging to put it mildly. Let's again take the peer to peer sport betting as example. Below some screenshots about the chat with your peer before starting the bet. Is it for a new user clear that he can insert his wallet adress via the three dots in the left bottom corner? And what about when you receive a wallet adress, how clear is it that you can click the adress to get to the popup and offer a contract? ![Chat.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmS4RVY8ESiqpg6WcAsHRvqpbfeh1MZ5wRz5Fjj3gM1yx3/Chat.jpg) And then the fun really begins with drawing up the contract! See the next screenshots. The upper part is relatively straightforward to understand, although the way things are formulated are far from dummy proof. But it basically asks for your and your peer's bet deposit and that you can get your deposit back if the peer doesn't make his deposit. The lower part is completely incomprehensable for first time users. What is an oracle, what is a feed name, what is meant by expected value, etc? I understand that this is the general format for any smart contract on the platform, but using these generic terms makes it almost unusable for general users. An existing contract looks like the following contract. Can any non technical user understand what the contract says? Really terrible right? ![Contract.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmZj1os3tQCu1wNUUnz3V9FfgRyaVDyowor6gBqKkB5wyu/Contract.jpg) I know what you might think. The product is in development and these are relatively easy things to improve. That may be but why deliver a product that is practibly unusable for a regular user. What is the point? The developers only scare away the sparse users that actually want to try to use the product. Anyway, I gave up and dropped out.
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Eventually more and more people will use Byteball and gradually people will see benefit in keeping some GBYTES in their wallet (lower fees) and the price of GBYTES will rise. Most important, it will drive the most important thing for any product or service: user adoption.\n\n2) The features that Byteball offers should be cheaper / more efficient than similar existing products. The current features are neither, although I think the flight delay insurance service is the best shot so far (by the way I think insurances in general is a great use case for decentralized crypto products). Consider the sports betting service. When you bet against the bot the offered quotes are worse than the quotes on any commercial online betting site. So what is the use of the service? The whole premise of blockchain technology is that you can cut the middlemen and thereby reduce costs and be cheaper. So why are these Byteball quotes so terrible?\n![Betting-compared.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmQWCWmAtD9R5aiAheBg5KmfxPiC5kdWQNGmgDZ6VSKe3E/Betting-compared.jpg)\n\n3) Some feautures are extremely hard to use. For example the peer to peer sports betting. I like the idea in general and was curious to try it out. What I had in mind was a sort of a peer to peer betting exchange where you can offer and accept bets. So you can see per match what bets other people are offering. You can then accept the best offer or you can place a better offer. Something like that. I was wrong and the execution of the p2p betting function is devious. First you have to connect with your peer via the chat feature in a Whatsapp like way (invite and accept). Byteball calls this adding a device. After adding your peer you start a chat and ask your peer to send his wallet adress. You can then click on the adress and make and offer a contract. 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2018/09/03 21:26:30
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2018/09/03 21:24:15
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2018/09/03 10:52:30
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2018/09/03 10:52:27
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2018/09/03 10:02:33
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2018/09/03 10:02:06
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2018/09/03 10:01:51
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2018/09/01 11:14:51
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2018/08/25 13:50:00
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2018/08/25 11:20:42
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2018/08/25 11:15:06
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2018/08/25 11:14:51
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2018/08/25 11:14:09
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2018/08/14 17:40:12
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2018/08/14 17:07:12
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      "extensions": []
    }
  ]
}

Account Metadata

POSTING JSON METADATA
None
JSON METADATA
None
{
  "posting_json_metadata": {},
  "json_metadata": {}
}

Auth Keys

Owner
Single Signature
Public Keys
STM6TtLp1dTCKPZF4KeSMNTpfyBiv1mKV9XnKc4wGGsaUyzqyW45S1/1
Active
Single Signature
Public Keys
STM5zpAQNCeAPzCxPdWzcUhDWG6DvUMurjqBBVegHjRPBd4nPUZKG1/1
Posting
Single Signature
Public Keys
STM558Y9pcVPWtfs2xX2gwLv2yfsYfXAVZNXJDtQSJkJnJBM9BaBa1/1
Memo
STM5uthwSYggRTA8j3HDDwDA8v24U6qfTHuDdD3FN7y2MZ78QPuQg
{
  "owner": {
    "weight_threshold": 1,
    "account_auths": [],
    "key_auths": [
      [
        "STM6TtLp1dTCKPZF4KeSMNTpfyBiv1mKV9XnKc4wGGsaUyzqyW45S",
        1
      ]
    ]
  },
  "active": {
    "weight_threshold": 1,
    "account_auths": [],
    "key_auths": [
      [
        "STM5zpAQNCeAPzCxPdWzcUhDWG6DvUMurjqBBVegHjRPBd4nPUZKG",
        1
      ]
    ]
  },
  "posting": {
    "weight_threshold": 1,
    "account_auths": [],
    "key_auths": [
      [
        "STM558Y9pcVPWtfs2xX2gwLv2yfsYfXAVZNXJDtQSJkJnJBM9BaBa",
        1
      ]
    ]
  },
  "memo": "STM5uthwSYggRTA8j3HDDwDA8v24U6qfTHuDdD3FN7y2MZ78QPuQg"
}

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