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一线交易所上币底要多少钱？\n![640-13.jpeg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmYG6kkQobGm1F6NDnt3aCVMNKJG8KAda32H29cGELtZfK/640-13.jpeg)\n\n爱西欧割韭菜，已经是币圈众所周知的事情。要问爱西欧要花多少成本，操盘人会说，“那得看跟交易所关系有多近了”。很多项目方为了币能流通，以便早期投资人能顺利撤出，不惜花重金上一线的交易所，期望借此带来更多交易量。\n\n据俺身边做项目的朋友透露，币安上币费要惊人的一千万美金，火币也要大几百万美金。对一个融资2000万美金左右的项目，这上币费将是一笔不菲的费用。上币费具体是多少钱，这原本是小圈子里的秘密，交易所也不会公开出来。客观的说，这价格必然因项目而异，越是空气，心里没底的项目，越是饥渴的想上交易所来割韭菜，越愿意掏大钱。这样才能借着大交易所做市值维护，掩护大户撤离。拿俺们西雅图的热门项目Arcblock在火币，OKEx和Gate.IO三首发来说，俺就不觉得老冒会掏那么多冤枉钱。\n\n那空气币上币费到底要多少钱呢？最近金色财经大义灭亲的一篇报道，《火币上币费高达4000余万，豪砸2300万火腿仍出局！》，让这个秘密被捅了出来，可以让大家管中窥豹。\n![640-14.jpeg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmV5EEJNvU7D5hYLHRdaaXo93R4nLzZErpjbS49sHhk3Mr/640-14.jpeg)\n\nHADAX是火币创新搞的投票上币机制，第一期前十名将上交易所。因为投票机制问题，实际上变成了各个项目方刷票的战场。第一名EGCC ICO融资约3000万美金，HADAX却投票烧了4800万人民币，占比约25%。前十家的投票费用合计已超4亿元人民币，排名前三的投票总费用更是高达1.3亿元人民币。第11名IPC以30万票惜败，于是3千万人民币打了水漂。此事影响极其恶劣。\n\n就这件事情，我们来提三个问题：\n**问一：为什么项目方会知道要准备几千万人民币来上币？而且有11家都在3千万这个档位，其中四家以微弱差距惜败，为什么会这么集中？**\n首先项目方必然是认为这钱从韭菜身上割回来。俺认为，三千万人民币可能是一线交易所上币费的一个中位值，再多的话一般项目就难以接受了。\n\n**问二：为什么这些项目这么有钱，却不走正常的上币渠道？**\n回答这个问题，首先看看HADAX是什么。作为火币旗下的新交易所品牌，HADAX改审核制为注册制，HADAX仅针对项目进行真实性及合法性审核，不再对项目投资价值进行评估。也就是说，项目你刷好了票请随便上，不过投资人你自己眼睛看清楚了啊，搞出问题了我火币网不负责任啊。大家仔细看看项目其实就知道了，先看第一名的EGCC，采用ERC20标准，截止2018年3月5日，拥有EGCC的地址不到700个，前100用户掌握98.61%的Engine Token，集中程度杠杠了。第11名的惜败的IPC，知产链，白皮书和网站上连创始团队都不敢放。论坛，社交媒体也就是寥寥数人。\n\n**问三：火币为什么要开这样的上币渠道？为什么要放宽审核？**\n哼哼，这还用说么，请看我表情。\n![640-15.jpeg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmNasqrsAnkWA6hTGDSw9NovvNsCGTJKHgGdfMjoMnKid7/640-15.jpeg)\n\n# 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$25\n\n通过分析这82个币可以看出，其实BIttrex这次只是顺势清理一波劣质币。还有没有空气币留下？当然有！在中国臭名昭著的波场币，目前位于Bittrex交易量第一，波场是一个大半年了连个毛线都没有的币。Bittrex会不会下架波场？俺觉得要是大家去举报一下的话，就很有可能了哈哈。在合规的路上，交易所是能下狠手的，比如之前就下架了Funfair，那是一个社区认可度还不错，交易量也还可以，但是因为涉嫌赌博，就被搞了。\n\n官方的说明中，Bittrex总结了以下的一些常见下架原因。\n不符合政府法规\n使用场景不合理，或者基本没有社区支持\n使用的区块链有重大技术问题\n项目无进展无团队，或者团队已经解散了\n交易量很小，或者有刷量行为\n其实上面这些规定要真放在上面火币HADAX投票上币的项目上，怕是一抓一个准。\n\n说实话，在这场疯狂中，美国交易所还是显得极其“胆小”。拿Coinbase/GDAX来说，他们早在去年11月就发布了ICO上币规范framework，却直到今天也还没有上任何一个ICO的币，最近只是宣布了他们支持ERC20 Token（也就是以太上的代币），但是一直在等监管的信号。Bittrex则在去年12月中旬直接停止新用户注册，到现在都没有开放，生生错过了黄金疯狂的时期。Bittrex以技术问题为理由，但是这是站不住脚的，因为他扶持起来的韩国大所Upbit交易量就相当多。对于上币费，Bittrex更是明确说明了可能会有$5000的审查费。而就这五千刀，当年还被老美骂了半天。\n\n放在中国，这俩交易所肯定要被人骂傻缺，有钱都不知道赚。\n![640-21.jpeg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmTSeBLGvGhmKVjLfsoFzgLojTP7kWPM4eqTKUv2hwLy57/640-21.jpeg)\n\n言归正传，美国的发展给了我们一个很好的启示。天朝其实是拥抱区块链的，只是要社会稳定。国外政府的措施，会给天朝很好的示范作用。随着政策的逐渐规范，交易所，特别是树大招风的交易所，必然要走上自我救赎的道路。到那个时候，抱着割韭菜心态来的，把融资来的钱，交了大额上币费，欺诈，Pump&Dump（拉盘砸盘），又没法交付的空气币，则很可能是会率先被牺牲掉的。\n我只想安心做个好韭菜\n区块链，是这个时代伟大的发明，是一场改变生产关系的革命，我相信这中间会诞生新的BAT（百度阿里腾讯），FLAG（Facebook Linkedin Apple Google）。\n\nICO，原本是给普通大众参与原本只有VC才能接触到的投资机会。几千万上币费，真不是小钱啊，非区块链项目天使能融个一千万算很不错了。拿这么多钱，好好做项目，好好做社区，把币的价值做起来，把吹过的牛逼补上不行么？毛主席说过，要实事求是嘛。\n\n不过话说回来，这些币之所以存在，也因为有些自以为聪明的韭菜，明知道是割韭菜的币，却觉得骗子会忽悠，会拉盘，币会涨，而且自认为不会成为接盘侠，于是去炒。恳请各位韭菜同僚，明知道是坑的，就不要去捧了，有一个更好的环境，才能让优秀的币活下来。至于怎么识别韭菜币，请关注本公众号，菊座后续将有《韭菜的自我修养》系列出炉，敬请期待！\n\n滚滚长江东逝水，浪花淘尽英雄。是非成败转头空。乱世间如此纷扰，我只想安心做个好韭菜，把手中神圣的币投送到真正想改变世界的人手上。\n![640-22.jpeg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmW8a3gvmhhVnf6EuKdmT8Ts9wG5JgFjTA3uThfAx5K3N2/640-22.jpeg)\n\n![640.gif](https://steemitimages.com/DQmYyCrrugArqbcTK3azVNqPxosKnsAuLR1cDytor7jQCrV/640.gif)\n\n# 韭菜召集令\n我们是一群在西雅图精通技术，热爱创新，并且看不惯收割机的韭菜。创建“韭菜大战收割机“的初衷是希望团结韭菜，跟不靠谱的项目大战到底。本公众号采取去中心化自治的方式，使用PoI(Proof of Impact)的方式，进行区块链社会实验。我们不进行ICO，但是我们对公众号的贡献者奖励韭菜币(JCB)，希望在帮助跟我们一样的韭菜的同时，也摸索区块链究竟应该如何激励内容创造者，颠覆生产关系，真正成为基于DAO的区块链时代媒体群。\n\n***参与方式***\nCreator计划：成为内容贡献者，创造者或者主编，创造下一篇内容\nBounty计划：\n关注公众号 - 奖励100个JCB\n朋友圈转发 - 奖励200个JCB\n群转发 - 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