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      "body": "> You said yourself that the powers that be would never allow another power to take over. You need to find some way to transition to this.\n\nThe future I'm envision has no person \"taking over\" at all. The very concept is rejected by decentralized, networked solutions which fight against all forms of hierarchical power. Good blockchain protocols have no rulers and are provable secure, fair, and consistent.\n\n> Yeah but in an Anarco-Capitalist society Apple could buy or form their own privitize security. \n\nThey could certainly try. Give Tom Woods' post a read and let me know what you think. When we look at other examples where corrupt corporations do really evil, nasty things, it's often with a head-nod from the corrupt government which is already in place. Often the argument against voluntaryism is that it might create competing mafia groups who fight together with one of them eventually gaining power to become the dominant player. So... basically what we have no with Statist government, yeah?\n\n> So people won't be unjustly killed under an Anarcho-Capitalist society? \n\nNah, I'm not dreaming of a utopia. For me, a utilitarian approach works well here. How many are unjustly killed? Is the number more or less? Take, for example, the war on drugs (which would not exist in an Anarcho-Capitalist society) and evaluate how lives would be better (or worse) if we legalized everything. Thankfully, other countries have already taken this approach and treat substance abuse as a health issue, not a criminal issue with excellent results so we have some real evidence to look to. To me, it's about what works.\n\n> nature abhors a vacuum..\n\nSure, but is nature \"evil\"? Evil is a human construct made worse by government (IMO).\n\n> Good luck with that.\n\nThank you! I'll need it. :)\n\n> You'll just bring the draft back.\n\nMaybe. But what happens when no one shows up? The people are far more powerful than those \"in charge\" and that truth is the number one fear throughout history rulers have worried about and tried to conceal.\n\n> We just don't agree.\n\nAnd that's totally fine. I hope you have enjoyed the conversation as I have. :)\n\nPeace.",
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      "body": ">I disagree. I think sitting at home and helping people improve their thinking will have a dramatic and lasting change in their actions which ultimately improves the world more so than what I see to be a ritual (voting).\n\nAnd I don't agree. It's only a start. You have to stay involved. \n\n>I touched on it a bit here in this ~30 minute presentation, but it can be summarized a bit by looking into the history of central banking, how England held the world reserve currency backed by central bankers beginning in the late 1700's. \n\nYeah the finacial system is fucked, and bitcoin and other cryptocurrencyies will definetly changed things.\n\n>How, can you change the public perception that leads to a positive outcome?\n\n>Through many conversations like this. :)\n\nHell yeah.\n\n>No, NVC and ignoring the government all together using blockchain technology with smart contracts.\n\nYou said yourself that the powers that be would never allow another power to take over. You need to find some way to transition to this.\n\n\n>I disagree here because companies don't have a monopoly on the use of force which defines government. Apple can't shoot me if I choose not to use their products and services. As to what prevents them from \"buying everything up\" I like these thoughts form Tom Woods: The Misplaced Fear of Monopoly. It has to do with natural monopolies verses forced monopolies via government violence.\n\nYeah but in an Anarco-Capitalist society Apple could buy or form their own privitize security. It's not about monopoly alone, because in this case they could indeed come at me with guns. Security firms would fight over customers, land, and be used to enforce the will of major companies. The military is swore to defend public and domestic threats like companies that would try shit like this.\n\n\n\n>Forced consent is no consent at all. Voting itself can be argued as a violent act when people are put in jail and or killed by enforcers of the state based on laws passed by these rulers (as I call them). Why should I give my consent to that?\n\nSo people won't be unjustly killed under an Anarcho-Capitalist society? That's like saying, people are just going to stop stealing, raping, or murdering because the governments gone too.\n\nObviously, we need to fix the system, not just shut it done.\n\n\n>I disagree and have posted many different posts here on steemit about authoritarianism, tribalism, etc. It's not something we have to accept about our humanity, especially as we approach the age where we can change ourselves beyond evolutionary boundaries.\n\nnature abhors a vacuum..\n\n\n>I think the sharing of ideas is the only thing that ever truly changes thing long term. We can try to legislate morality or force people to act how we want them to, but eventually the desire for autonomy wins out if the position on Maslow's Hierarchy allows it.\n\nI think it's great that you are proactive in sharing you're ideas. Good luck with that.\n\n>By encouraging so many people not to sign up for it that it ends up with little power to do anything bad.\n\nYou'll just bring the draft back.\n\n\n>Great discussion. Thank you. :) I find it interesting how a discussion about the military naturally dovetails into discussion anarchy. For me, democide is one of the primary reasons I don't support Statist government.\n\nYeah it ultimately all comes back to whether we want the government in place or not. Encouraging people to start businesses and non-profits is awesome. We just don't agree.",
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We lost in 1917 with the creation of the Federal Reserve (and, not-coincidentally, the passing of the first federal income tax). From there (and the 1933 executive order making it illegal to own gold), the central banking machine grew. WWI and WWII were a big part of this process. In 1944, the Bretton Woods agreement basically said, \"Hey, world, you're all blown up and we aren't. How about you send all your gold to us, we'll protect it in Fort Knox and issue gold-backed currency you can trust. You can even get your exact gold back if you want it, just exchange your notes for it and we'll honor that exchange.\" Then the Nixon shock of 1971 completely removed the gold-backing and countries who demanded their gold back either didn't get it or got different gold or were told, \"Um, it'll take like many years for us to get that to you. Sorry.\" The reason the U.S. could do this without the whole world going ape-shit at the largest theft in human history? The power of the U.S. Military and (I argue here) those who sign up and participate to give it that power.\n\n> We are not teaching our younger generation what they need to know. \n\nAgreed. Public schools are prisons for children. We homeschool. I really enjoyed Peter Gray's book Free to Learn. It's about teaching creatively the way brains are designed to learn: through play. My Internet is spotty right now, but I'll check those later. I may have already watched them as the names sound familiar.\n\n>  How do you plan to change this stereotype?\n\nIt's changing already. People, even those who support the State on some level as you do, see the BS mischaracterization. Sure, not the majority, but it is changing.\n\n> How, can you change the public perception that leads to a positive outcome?\n\nThrough many conversations like this. :)\n\n>  Civil war?\n\nNo, <a href=\"https://steemit.com/peace/@lukestokes/nvc-violence-is-a-tragic-expression-of-an-unmet-need\">NVC</a> and ignoring the government all together using blockchain technology with smart contracts.\n\n> We don't have any \"Rulers\"\n\nI disagree here because companies don't have a monopoly on the use of force which defines government. Apple can't shoot me if I choose not to use their products and services. As to what prevents them from \"buying everything up\" I like these thoughts form Tom Woods: <a href=\"http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/the-misplaced-fear-of-monopoly/\">The Misplaced Fear of Monopoly</a>. It has to do with natural monopolies verses forced monopolies via government violence.\n\n>  I get it, but why the hell should we let a bunch of old rich guys vote for us without contesting it?\n\nForced consent is no consent at all. Voting itself can be argued as a violent act when people are put in jail and or killed by enforcers of the state based on laws passed by these rulers (as I call them). Why should I give my consent to that?\n\n> There will always be a ruler of something\n\nI disagree and have posted many different posts here on steemit about authoritarianism, tribalism, etc. It's not something we have to accept about our humanity, especially as we approach the age where we can change ourselves beyond evolutionary boundaries.\n\n> if you refuse to get involved?\n\nI think the sharing of ideas is the only thing that ever truly changes thing long term. 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Thank you. :) I find it interesting how a discussion about the military naturally dovetails into discussion anarchy. For me, <a href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide\">democide</a> is one of the primary reasons I don't support Statist government.\n\nRelated post:\n\n * <a href=\"https://steemit.com/anarchy/@lukestokes/the-myth-of-authority\">The Myth of Authority</a>",
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      "body": ">Most with zero chance of winning. You know this to be true. So how is voting for them helpful? We already saw how the election commission rigged things last time to prevent the libertarian party from even being part of the debates.\nFor example, your argument about the recent arms deal with Saudi Arabia is against the Military Industrial.\n\nFive months ago the Obama Administration shot this down and canceled our dealings with Saudi Arabia due to fear of [civilian causualties](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/12/united-states-cancels-weapons-sales-saudi-arabia-yemen). And Trump turned around and supported the sale of even more.\n\nA different choice, lead to a different outcome. Now is it fair that it's become the lesser of to evils? no.\n\nBut again, this is why we need to be more involved. We will change nothing sitting at home trying to stay out of it.\n\n>Because of the Bretton Woods agreement where we basically shafted everyone else. At least, that's my perception of things. We hold the world reserve currency along with the largest military budget (by far) so everyone else has to fall in line or else.\n\n\nI'm not familiar with it, but I will do some research. I understand it was dissolved, so would you care to elaborate?\n\n\n>I'm not sure empirical evidence supports this claim. The youth of today are more connected with the rest of the world via the Internet than any human generation in history.\n\n\nWhat I mean by, \"They see everything through a filter and fail to understand the state of the world.\"\n\nWe are not teaching our younger generation what they need to know. They can see what's happening across the world instantly, but how are they interpreting the information? How are they going to apply Shakespeare to world hunger? How are they going to tackle environmental issues with algebra? Ted Dintersmith does a [Ted Talk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvhb9aoyeZs) on education today that's fascinating.\n\nAlso, there is this disconnect in education today that, creativity is undervalued. [Ken Robinson](https://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity) has an excellent talk about it.\n\n>Sorry, no. Those claiming to be \"anarchists\" who you've pictured here have been throughly disowned by every voluntaryist and anarchist group I've ever associated with. Sure, there are some fringe group of losers living in their mom's basements who just want to watch the world burn, but that's not the style of anarchist I'm talking about. When I think anarchist, I'm thinking more along the lines of Jeffrey_Tucker or Larken Rose. Most anarchists follow the NAP (non-aggression principle) and many believe in the philosophy of liberty. Putting on a mask, waving a flag, and calling oneself an \"anarchist\" doesn't make someone an anarchist any more than getting a Marine tattoo and yelling \"Oorah!\" makes someone a Marine. Yes, some fringe groups of anarchism have practiced the propaganda of the deed, but mostly I've seen that perspective discredited as not only ineffective, but immoral.\n \nExactly, their actions are not a representation of the entire organization. And I understand this, but that's not what the American public sees or relates Anarchy too. If Anarcho-Capitalism, as Jeffery Tucker would have it, was you're ultimate goal for America. How do you plan to change this stereotype? How, can you change the public perception that leads to a positive outcome?\n\nI understand that the whole point is not to support it, but if you cannot do it from within the system, what do you want? Civil war?\n\t\n\n>The best I can come up with so far is is Kokesh2020. His goal is to peacefully dismantle the Federal Government, and he's a veteran as well. Not the best candidate possible, I'll grant you, but at least someone who understands the \"no rulers\" perspective I'm coming from.\n\nWe don't have any \"Rulers\" running around telling us what to do all day. In fact, if there are any real \"Rulers\" out there, it's [Disney](https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=how+disney+runs+the+world&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8), Apple, or Google... Maybe Boeing.. but not the Senate, the Congress, the 15 cabinet members, the VP, and Trump...\n\n( Also, please explain how Anarcho-Capitalism is going to prevent companies like Disney or Apple from becoming rulers should they just buy up everything)\n\n>Thanks for the Bill Maher video. It was funny, and he makes some good points, but it reminds me of the meme I can't seem to find right now showing Kim Jong Un voting while we make fun of North Koreans for only having one choice while we're so enlightened because we have two choices. Most of Maher's argument goes something like, \"Yeah, it is what it is, do your duty and put up with it.\" I think many people are seeing this as a false dichotomy and wanting to select no rulers instead of picking pre-selected candidates who essentially give us the same old same old, regardless of which party they come from. Being forced to pick the lesser of two evils is still a choice for evil.\n\n\nI totally agree that our presidential candidates are usually shit choices. *We* ultimately vote for them anyway though... I mean there are tons of other candidates, and we still vote for the shit choices...  People just do, because the think it's the only way to be *part* of the process. My vote won't count if I don't vote for a possible outcome.\n\nAlso, we live in a new digital age. Americans can fund any candidate of their choice through crowdfunding. The issue is that no one likes what politics have become, and thus chose not to participate. I get it, but why the hell should we let a bunch of old rich guys vote for us without contesting it?\n\n\n>Technological solutions such as blockchains and smart contracts make much of government backed by violent force irrelevant today. We don't need rulers if we can set up voluntary contracts which are automatically enforced without violence.\n\nBlockchains technology is fantastic and will change the course of humanity, but it will not remove the most fundamental elements of structured organizations. There will always be a ruler of something, and removing government just means CEOs are going to step up their game and run the country. \n\n>I still have this nagging question: If a mafia family also does really good things in their neighborhood, does that justify their existence?\n\nNope. \n\n>At the same time, I recognize that every generation that set out to change the status quo was seen as crazy by the generation the preceded it. Voluntaryism, the NAP, and non-violent communication do seem crazy by those who have only ever known war as the answer. That doesn't mean new solutions aren't possible.\n\nIt's not about seeming crazy, that's not what I am arguing at all. How do you plan to change things, if you refuse to get involved? How are you going to change how the U.S. uses its military? \n\nAlthough I am no advocator of anarchy or any similar philosophy, I am an advocator of free will and speech. 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