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      "body": "No problem Angel we can start over here with a much softer tone  towards one another :)\n\nAgain my apologies for sounding harsh initially. It is the 'treatment' of the subject concerning 'An-Caps are not Anarchists but we Coms are' I see from An-Coms that often engenders those sharp and 'blasting' rebuttals. But I'm down for some friendly debate here :)\n\nDo not take this the wrong way, but I do not have to read the books and philosophies of men to understand what nature has already established. (So much of it in the things I've already said in my previous responses) and so being as busy as I already am in life, no I'm not going to read it in its entirety, although I'm down to hear some quotes from it and go from there if you'd like.\n\nIn the meantime saying that 'I think it is okay to set up big money, ruling elites' etc, is just an empty charge Angel. It doesn't mean anything, especially when I have proven through my arguments that the Market once liberated and the 'political state' removed would actually stop financial power monopolies from happening.\n\nPeople use the 'power vacuum' argument because they've been conditioned to accept that \"but in a state of Anarchy, some bad guy gets all the power and that leads us to tyranny\" nonsense, that I too used to entertain and blindly repeat.\n\nI don't think I have to explain how it's actually far more impossible, since what I refer to as 'the Innocent, the Good, and the Free' are not going to sit passively by when some man and group of his 'wild banditos' have proven their intent to subjugate others. Said in another way, IF 'El Guapo' can even talk his people into leaving their own lives and lands and following him on his conquest, they're more than likely not going to get too far and find themselves 'strung up and hung'. Not to mention, 'El Guapo' is going to have to pay his 'followers' in 'real capital', and where's he gonna get that? If he's got it already, that means he's had to earn it, or that it's already precious and valuable, so why lose it for such risks when he can instead just enjoy the good life?\n\nOkay so looking at these things, it's the same with this nonsense concerning the 'power-vacuum' argument but that has been turned economic. Nobody is going to be able to create monopolies the way they do for reasons I've already explained such as there's no central banks to bring them about and continue subsidizing their existence on our backs.\n\nFirst of all: They'll be forced to risk their own 'real capital', that will already be limited since what they're able to produce must first be desired by other men, while facing endless possibilities of competition.\n\nBut not only will competition remove so many opportunities for 'monopoly', without the political state, nobody can compel us to partake of something, meaning that if we see a company or corporation as 'uncouth' than we simply choose to 'opt out' and not pay for their services. Voluntaryism.\n\nWhen I hear someone who remains terrified that somehow 'some big entity is going to take us over', I hear the exact same problem that has given birth to the forms of man-made governments that all the time enslave us to begin with, 'fear', followed by a 'need to figure out how to control it'.\n\nThe 'Market' will stop these problems my friend. We do not have to inspire humanity to 'take over corporations', as nobody will ever be all the time on-board with these solutions.\n\nI believe that people can and will experience 'success' for what those things they have been willing to put their hands to creating, learning, producing, and trading. But I really do not think we're going to see these 'big corporations' we have, and the only reason they've gotten there to begin with, is because humanity has been foolish enough to employ the 'political state' to protect him, when all it does is write laws in favor of those to give us something for nothing, while charging us more debt and interest on these things.\n\n:)",
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      "body": "Ok, sorry, Shane.\nI gave that another read and did much better this time at understanding.\nWe agree on nature. No work, no eat.\nBut where we differ is that you think it is ok to set up a ruling elite, big money, and that letting this big money exploit the little money people is ok.\nOr as I call it, crapitalism.\nUnless you were willing to do the reading there isn't much point in continuing.\nI've read the crapitalust books, Ayn Rand was ling a favorite, but my eyes were opened by this book, never to be shut again.\nhttp://www.gutenberg.org/etext/624",
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      "body": "Ok, Shane, in case you missed it, what I tried to communicate was if somebody was gone a few days and wanted to ask a question they could pick nearly any of my posts to do it on.\n\nHaving a position contrary to Lord Shane's is not dissing.\n\nFor the record, I've been told that I am 50, but I couldn't honestly tell you.\nI can tell you what I know about folks what point fingers at others, but I won't, it'll be funnier to watch you learn for yourself.\n\nBlah, blah, the slave mentality is strong with this one.\nSorry, the parts that didn't make sense to me distracted me into tldr stupor.\nIf you have a question, or statement, can we try to limit them a little.\nI'll be glad to address any I can understand.",
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      "body": "Good post Lark! I wrote something very similar on facebook not too long ago concerning the 'security blanky' lol. Keep it up! ;)\n\nI'm brand new to steemit but as soon as I figure out how to I'll go ahead and 'up vote it' as I've heard something about this.\n\nAlso, for yourself and anyone else feel free to join another pro-V facebook group \"VAL Society\". (for Voluntary Anarchist Libertarian Society) And have fun posting away there!\n\nfacebook.com/groups/FreePeopleForVALSociety",
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      "body": "//I'm game for any questions you got, feel free to butt into nearly any post of mine as most of them will be on this subject.//\n\nHow old are you Angel? I ask because anyone who drops an opinion on a post that is already public, while dissing the position of others in an open forum, and then insinuates someone is 'butting in' to conversations when they rebuttal can't be that mature. If you don't want people to show how silly your ideas are, than don't go and diss their ideas in front of everyone.\n\nMoving on, I'm responding to a combination of things you've said throughout this thread, such as this:\n\n//If you get everything you need handed to you for free, wouldn't you feel like a bum if you sat around playing video games all day?\nThere is plenty of work to be done, and under my proposal NOBODY has an excuse not to contribute, and every incentive.//\n\nNo! People need their own incentive to 'produce'. Nobody is going to say \"hey guys, let's get out there and make a difference because there's things that need to get done\" until their lives are 'forced' and 'compelled' to do so individually. We'll come back to being 'forced' and 'compelled' in a moment here.\n\n\"Individually\" That's a big and important concept, because it's where freedom is found by default of a state of nature, and it is where it will always reside, within the individual and never in 'groups'. Any man or woman experiencing that natural state of freedom they were born entitled to (but have been ripped off of) does not walk around looking for the permission of others to survive or produce a thing that is beneficial to their own lives, or that can be used to trade in order to acquire more things beneficial to themselves. Hence 'capitalism' is the true, original, and only state of nature or 'Anarchy'.\n\nThere is a government with system of laws and order that Anarchists do believe in, only they are not the imposter version of these man-made institutions, but rather the laws, order, and government that have already been set up and established by nature.\n\nThere is a form of 'force' and 'compulsion' that are not bad when being performed by nature, and these essentially declare that 'responsibility is the price of freedom, and so experiencing the gift of self-government implies self-ownership meaning 'if you're not willing to provide for yourself you'll more than likely go hungry, as it's morally wrong to expect in any way that other human beings are required to provide for you'. (direct or indirect slavery / a hidden form of slavery)\n\nYou don't have to worry about 'corporations' as they will more than likely evaporate for several reasons which I'll be extremely quick on for now. (But let me know if you'd like to expand my arguments)\n\nFirst, there's no government and hence 'central banks' that makes it possible for these 'large corporations' to first come into existence, and then be subsidized on the future credit of what the people are willing to produce (or bailed out directly or indirectly through a complicated system that conceals the fact that these are made possible by this fraudulent behavior and existence of central banks)\n\nSecondly, with everyone free to 'enter the market' anyone can compete and more than likely people are going to trade with those who are they know for any product or service, since it will be their reputations they've learned to trust and that have proven themselves. Companies like 'Harley Davidson' more than likely won't be around, and if you desire a motorcycle to be built, you're going to go to that person in your town who has earned his or her reputation as providing something of quality and fair pricing for years. Another Universal Law, very similar to the one that demands you to practice any trade before becoming efficient at it, dictates within the market (a free market we've yet to experience) that you must be willing to 'put in time' and 'earn your reputation' in order to experience success.\n\nThere is already a natural order that's been put in place and waiting for mankind to access it. Now if the governments of men exist, than 'capitalism' is a bad mix (but so are things like communism and any form since the political state is inherently evil to begin with) But when the governments of men are taken out of the equation, than 'capitalism' is actually a good thing that empowers humanity, and this natural order of the market does not need your help as a human in any way. All you have to do is choose if you wish to partake in it!\n\nPeople are born with different gifts and desires, and they will find their own incentive to produce and partake of those things they naturally have an inclination for. (Medical is one of infinite possibilities proving that people are born with unique gifts and desires) But thinking that you can first take production away from them (\"we'll take over the corporations\" as you said) and then 'hope' they're going to say \"well guys, there's a lot that needs to be done in this world, so come on lets get out there and work\" is just silly! They won't be 'sitting around playing video games all day' because the laws of nature have already established that if they are not willing to provide for their own lives, they're going to go hungry. Again, these 'laws', 'force' and 'compulsion' do not need your help.\n\nI brought up 'rent' because you brought up not being able to pay for a light bulb by the way. But people will find ways to sustain energy, and they can choose to use real capital to trade for additional services if they desire (like internet etc) The 'power of freedom' is always left where it was found (with the individual) to 'choose' to do with that which their lives have created and produced and participate and exchange however they want. There cannot be a truer, purer, and more ultimate form of 'Voluntaryism' than that. (which also allows people to live in communes if they desire)\n\nForgive me for sounding 'sharp' but I get tired of hearing An-Coms insinuating with such arrogance that 'An-Caps' aren't the 'real deal Anarchists'. For where are the 'groups of men' when two people desire to produce and trade with one another, and in a way that is satisfying to each participating party? You cannot get any more 'Anarchy' than that.\n\nGet 'the governments of men' (the political state) out of the way, and you will not have to worry about 'greed', as the Market will sort out many problems while continuously refreshing and 'redistributing' economic power all over the place and for all humanity!",
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      "body": "Live off the land? Really?\nI'm talking about taking over the corporations and running them just for those that work.\nI'm game for any questions you got, feel free to butt into nearly any post of mine as most of them will be on this subject.",
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      "body": "I have to sleep for night shifts but I will say this for now Angel (and I will catch up later) there's really not much to worry about concerning 'rent' and people not being able to afford these costs of living, since in a stateless societh people are free to live off the land and likewise provide for their own means of sustainability.\n\nTheres more to say but hate poke typing on phone lol. Plus have to sleep. Bye for now. ;)",
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      "body": "Right because in a natural state people needed these guys called \"An Coms\" to dictate what to do with what they were willing to produce!\n\nThe \"crapitulism\" you blame isn't even capitalism. These economic abuses and depravities have been made possible by the existence of the state, and amplified many times over by the existence of fraudulent central banks. Something Marx was found of because he thought men intervening would help mankind.\n\nLet me explain something, if you have to employ preemptive force on order to control any situation, that is not Anarchism, it is in fact 'control'. And that is precisely what any form of Coms are seeking to do!\n\n'Capital' in its truest form simply means  something thats produced.  Anarchism is a marriage and unification of man to the natural state of freedom he is entitled to. Producing something and maintaining his ability to relinquish it (use, exchange, give away etc) is a part of that freedom.\n\nYour idea of Anarchism is silly, for it says \"we're so Anarchy, that we have to delegate who can produce what\". That is not Anarchism, and the Market that arrives with the state, experience, and realization of mankinds freedom that he was born entitled to does not need the belp of humans, as they would at best stifle growth, and more than likely engage into corruption.\n\nReal 'capital' has always been a part of the natural state. Communism is a form of man-induced preemptive control, its not Anarchism.",
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