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@pretradition

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Simple Christianity as it existed from the Beginning

steemit.com/@pretradition
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RESOURCE CREDITS100.00%
REPUTATION PROGRESS8.55%
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33.054STEEM
SBD
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├── Own SP
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└── Incoming Deleg
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2025/03/03 11:55:57
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2021/10/30 09:37:03
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2019/06/14 03:30:30
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2018/07/30 14:38:48
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2018/05/16 23:45:21
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2018/02/17 01:22:48
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2018/01/24 07:54:27
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2018/01/18 20:53:06
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2018/01/11 20:53:06
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2018/01/09 06:54:27
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2018/01/04 20:53:06
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2017/12/28 20:53:06
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2017/12/21 20:53:06
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2017/12/14 20:53:06
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2017/12/07 20:53:06
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2017/11/30 20:53:06
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2017/11/24 23:09:36
parent authorpretradition
parent permlinkthe-trinity-tradition-a-false-doctrine
authorlife365
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title
bodyGod bless you! I appreciate your study. I believe in one God. I believe that Jesus is the son of God. Meaning that the Father, the invisible Spirit of God, over shadowed a virgin and she conceived. Bringing forth a child, a son, who is Jesus. Son of God. However, scriptures reveal that the son is God. Please read Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, John 1:1, 14. Blessings to you in all of your studies in Jesus name!
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2017/11/02 22:08:36
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bodyThe way that I understand it is this: We are not under the 10 Commandments because the 10 Commandments were given to Israel alone. The Sabbath especially was a sign between God and Israel, Exodus 31:12-17. Gentiles, generally, were never bound to the Sabbath or the Law. Today Gentile Christians are under the New Covenant, that is: 1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. This is from a gentile point of view. It's pretty simple once you see it.
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2017/11/02 17:20:18
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bodyYes of course. But first you must know I am no expert, preacher, or anyone you should take spiritual advice from. Basically I see in the bible that "God" gave commands, actually more than 10 but just referencing the 10, and christianty claim them to be still for today but for some reason "they" meaning as a whole not individuals only keep 9 according to the scriptures. Some would say that Jesus died to do away with the laws of "God" because they were to hard for man to keep but I can't find that in the bible what I do see is people using verses out of context imo. I hope this answered your question. If not please let me know. Thank you for engaging.
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2017/11/02 17:09:27
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bodySince you wrote the article I would be interesting in knowing your thoughts on the matter.
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2017/10/28 00:00:54
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2017/10/06 14:58:18
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bodyMay God guide us christians in his way.
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2017/10/06 14:52:48
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bodyI don't believe Christianity is a religion anymore. It has become a group of religions. There are many religions today who have very different systems of faith and worship but call themselves Christian.
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2017/10/06 14:51:18
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2017/10/06 14:49:39
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bodyI don't think there is evidence that Christ hated tradition itself. Paul wrote: >2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the **traditions** which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. Also, >James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. There is nothing wrong with tradition or religion as long as they are of God and not man. Religion is a system of faith and worship. A system of faith and worship was given to the Jews by God through Moses. Christ followed the law of Moses perfectly and upheld all the commands of God, he followed his religion perfectly. I don't believe that Christ would hate what his Father, our God, created and gave to him.
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      "body": "I don't think there is evidence that Christ hated tradition itself. Paul wrote:\n\n>2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the **traditions** which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.\n\nAlso, \n\n>James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.\n\nThere is nothing wrong with tradition or religion as long as they are of God and not man.\n\nReligion is  a system of faith and worship. A system of faith and worship was given to the Jews by God through Moses. Christ followed the law of Moses perfectly and upheld all the commands of God, he followed his religion perfectly. I don't believe that Christ would hate what his Father, our God, created and gave to him.",
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2017/10/03 16:01:27
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bodyThe Bible teaches against your pagan/christian religion. >I am he that liveth, and was dead Did your god die? Jesus died. Did your god not have the keys of hell and death? Did he have to kill himself to acquire them? You are getting stuck on the simple things. The first and the last is a title, it is not God's name. Just like Lord can be applied to multiple beings, so too can the title "the first and the last" within the context of its use. "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Jesus sits at the right hand of God, not being god himself, as the author and finisher, the first and the last, of our faith. He was chosen by God from the beginning to be the end. He was chosen and he was anointed by God, not being god himself. He is the image of god, not god himself. He is the mediator between God and men, not being god himself. He is the high priest of God, not being god himself. Jesus came to make God known to all, the true living God, the Father our Creator. These are not my arguments, these are the word of the Bible. You teach against the Bible and against the teachings of Jesus and his Apostles to hold on to a tradition that was forced upon the people by bloodshed.
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      "body": "The Bible teaches against your pagan/christian religion.\n\n>I am he that liveth, and was dead\n\nDid your god die? Jesus died. Did your god not have the keys of hell and death? Did he have to kill himself to acquire them?\n\nYou are getting stuck on the simple things. The first and the last is a title, it is not God's name. Just like Lord can be applied to multiple beings, so too can the title \"the first and the last\" within the context of its use. \n\n\"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.\"\n\nJesus sits at the right hand of God, not being god himself, as the author and finisher, the first and the last, of our faith. He was chosen by God from the beginning to be the end. He was chosen and he was anointed by God, not being god himself. He is the image of god, not god himself. He is the mediator between God and men, not being god himself. He is the high priest of God, not being god himself.\n\nJesus came to make God known to all, the true living God, the Father our Creator. These are not my arguments, these are the word of the Bible. You teach against the Bible and against the teachings of Jesus and his Apostles to hold on to a tradition that was forced upon the people by bloodshed.",
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2017/10/03 12:02:54
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bodyI believe you are sincere in your beliefs, sir, but so far I am not convinced by your arguments. I am trying to understand where you're coming from, and so once again I'll ask you a couple of questions. Do you reject the doctrine of the Trinity (I get the feeling you do)? How did you come to believe the things you believe? You might feel I'm 'putting you on trial' again, but if you're going to comment on my post and make such an accusatory comment, you can expect I'm going to ask you questions about what you believe...and I expect you to be able to back up your claims with proof texts.
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      "body": "I believe you are sincere in your beliefs, sir, but so far I am not convinced by your arguments. I am trying to understand where you're coming from, and so once again I'll ask you a couple of questions. Do you reject the doctrine of the Trinity (I get the feeling you do)? How did you come to believe the things you believe? \n\nYou might feel I'm 'putting you on trial' again, but if you're going to comment on my post and make such an accusatory comment, you can expect I'm going to ask you questions about what you believe...and I expect you to be able to back up your claims with proof texts.",
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2017/10/03 11:58:09
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bodyIn Isaiah 44:6, the Bible says: > "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me. And in Revelation 1:17-18, John in his vision: > And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. "I am the First and the Last"
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2017/10/02 19:35:45
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bodyBut you believe Jesus is God and Jesus did dwell on the earth and did grow tired and was limited in the flesh. How do you explain your inconsistent beliefs?
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2017/10/02 19:31:36
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bodyGod is not a man, you are teaching lies and corrupting the truth of God. Jesus is the Messiah, our Savior.
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2017/09/27 15:04:57
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2017/09/23 20:13:33
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bodyNo. I don't belong to or come from any group or denomination. I am giving you the straight truth from the Scriptures and you are denying what the Book says to hold onto your taught beliefs. The Scriptures make it clear that Jesus is the Messiah and not God. It is only by tradition that people believe him to be God. There is but one God, the Father.. 1 Corinthians 8:6, it doesn't get much more clear than that. The greatest commandment as told by Jesus is that the LORD our God is one LORD. This has been under attack since the beginning. You believe what you believe because you were taught to think that way. Above you quoted “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” If he were God then why would he have to receive power and wealth and wisdom, and strength, etc? How can you worship multiple gods and still believe you are following what the Bible teaches?
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2017/09/22 18:42:30
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bodyDo you by chance come from a church or denomination that feels that if you stray from their exact teachings that you'll loose your salvation or that teaches that your church or denomination is specially anointed by God to be the only one true religion or in some other way is special like the only one true church? Not trying to pick a fight but I don't think we're having a true debate about the scriptures, I feel instead like I'm having a disagreement with you about the anointing that you feel God has given your church or denomination.
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2017/09/22 16:43:15
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2017/09/22 16:20:33
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bodyYou are lost and can't see truth. You're arguments are empty. Jesus accepts the worship due to him just as others such as Kings would accept worship, even as recorded in the Bible. Bowing down before someone does not make them God. The reason that so many "Christians" accept the trinity is because it was the law for hundreds of years under penalty of death or banishment. You people killed those who disagreed with you. You are an anti-Christ.
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      "body": "You are lost and can't see truth.\n\nYou're arguments are empty. Jesus accepts the worship due to him just as others such as Kings would accept worship, even as recorded in the Bible. Bowing down before someone does not make them God. The reason that so many \"Christians\" accept the trinity is because it was the law for hundreds of years under penalty of death or banishment. You people killed those who disagreed with you. You are an anti-Christ.",
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2017/09/22 12:18:24
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bodyIt is clear by those verses that Jesus accepted worship. He could have said no, don't worship me, I'm but a man. But he didn't say that. Think about this logically, why would most Christian denominations believe that Jesus is God especially since one of the ten commandments says, "You shall have no other Gods before me"? The answer, because that's how the text reads! That's the logical conclusion from reading the Bible, that Jesus was saying he was God. If He's not God then He went to great lengths to insinuate that He was to try to deceive people. I don't see how anyone can read the above verses and say that He's not God unless they are clouded by indoctrination of their own denomination. When I read the Bible I try to step away from what I was taught from my denomination and pray that God reveals the real truth to me and release me from the bonds of my denomination. Asking him to show me the places where my denomination is not right. In doing this over the years I have developed beliefs from the scriptures that do not follow what my denomination says. If anyone follows exactly what their denomination is telling them and do not part from their denomination in any areas they are more likely following man instead of God.
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      "body": "It is clear by those verses that Jesus accepted worship.  He could have said no, don't worship me, I'm but a man.  But he didn't say that.  Think about this logically, why would most Christian denominations believe that Jesus is God especially since one of the ten commandments says, \"You shall have no other Gods before me\"?  The answer, because that's how the text reads!  That's the logical conclusion from reading the Bible, that Jesus was saying he was God.  If He's not God then He went to great lengths to insinuate that He was to try to deceive people.  I don't see how anyone can read the above verses and say that He's not God unless they are clouded by indoctrination of their own denomination.  When I read the Bible I try to step away from what I was taught from my denomination and pray that God reveals the real truth to me and release me from the bonds of my denomination.  Asking him to show me the places where my denomination is not right.  In doing this over the years I have developed beliefs from the scriptures that do not follow what my denomination says.  If anyone follows exactly what their denomination is telling them and do not part from their denomination in any areas they are more likely following man instead of God.",
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2017/09/22 03:13:30
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2017/09/22 03:05:03
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bodyNo, perhaps you miss the point. Put it this way, if you believe that Jesus is God and the Father is God and they are two distinct entities, that means that you have at least two gods. I know, you say they are one, but that really doesn't make sense, in which most trinitarians say, well God is a mystery. The Trinity is a mystery because it is not found in the Scriptures. God is not a mystery. The Writers made it abundantly clear that Jesus is the son of God, a man. And God is the Father alone. No Biblical author believed otherwise. Jesus didn't come to make man aware of a new god concept after 1000's of years. He came to make the Father known. Jesus is the image of God, not God. Jesus is the mediator between God and man, not God. Jesus is a man, not God. Jesus died. God raised him, God exalted him, God gave him power. None of this makes sense in your view. Jesus is the last Adam, a man made in the perfect image of God to atone for mans sin. The Bible plainly teaches that through one man sin and death comes to all but through another man comes grace and life. If you don't see it, then you probably won't. But it's right there. Accept the lies of men or the truth or God.
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      "body": "No, perhaps you miss the point.\n\nPut it this way, if you believe that Jesus is God and the Father is God and they are two distinct entities, that means that you have at least two gods. I know, you say they are one, but that really doesn't make sense, in which most trinitarians say, well God is a mystery. The Trinity is a mystery because it is not found in the Scriptures. God is not a mystery.\n\nThe Writers made it abundantly clear that Jesus is the son of God, a man. And God is the Father alone. No Biblical author believed otherwise. Jesus didn't come to make man aware of a new god concept after 1000's of years. He came to make the Father known.\n\nJesus is the image of God, not God.\nJesus is the mediator between God and man, not God. \nJesus is a man, not God.\nJesus died.\nGod raised him, God exalted him, God gave him power. None of this makes sense in your view.\n\nJesus is the last Adam, a man made in the perfect image of God to atone for mans sin. The Bible plainly teaches that through one man sin and death comes to all but through another man comes grace and life.\n\nIf you don't see it, then you probably won't. But it's right there. Accept the lies of men or the truth or God.",
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2017/09/22 02:43:24
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2017/09/21 17:22:42
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2017/09/21 17:06:45
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2017/09/21 14:42:24
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bodyThere are actually no references in the Bible that show the apostles believed Jesus was God, quite the opposite. You may have been lead to believe that but it's just false. >Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Perhaps you are overthinking that one. You chose a good verse here: Colossians 1:15-16 If Jesus is the image of God then it directly negates him from being God. An image is a likeness or representation of a person or thing. An image is never the person or thing itself. Jesus is a representation of God. He is a likeness of God. Also, consider that worshiping an image of God is idolatry and therefore you are guilty of idolatry if you worship Jesus as God. Yes people bowed before Jesus in reverence to him but never did they worship him as God. Jesus is the chosen Messiah and worthy to receive glory, honor, and praise. This is what the Bible plainly teaches.
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2017/09/21 14:32:48
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bodyThe Word is God's word. "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." God sent Jesus to be His word and to accomplish His will. Jesus performed the work that God willed him and spoke the words that God gave him and He followed God's commandments perfectly. Jesus IS the living word of God. All Bibles before the 1600's said "it", not "him" regarding the word. Even among trinitarians it is a new idea that the word was a pre-existing Jesus. The same exact word "Logos" or "word" is used many times in the Bible and is never a person. >If Jesus is not God than whomever wrote this and the rest of the new testament was not very careful with their wording and almost blatantly attempted to lead people astray. Or perhaps the translators were. Though, I still believe the truth is clear.
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      "body": "The Word is God's word. \n\n\"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.\"\n\nGod sent Jesus to be His word and to accomplish His will. Jesus performed the work that God willed him and spoke the words that God gave him and He followed God's commandments perfectly. Jesus IS the living word of God.\n\nAll Bibles before the 1600's said \"it\", not \"him\" regarding the word. Even among trinitarians it is a new idea that the word was a pre-existing Jesus. The same exact word \"Logos\" or \"word\" is used many times in the Bible and is never a person.\n\n>If Jesus is not God than whomever wrote this and the rest of the new testament was not very careful with their wording and almost blatantly attempted to lead people astray.\n\nOr perhaps the translators were. Though, I still believe the truth is clear.",
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2017/09/21 13:20:33
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bodySorry, one more thing. There are other references in the New Testament that show the apostles also believed Jesus was God. Titus 2:13 "waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ". And Colossians 1:15-16: The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him." You'll also notice in the Bible that whenever someone saw an angel their first reaction was to bow down to them, yet the angel's were quick to rebuke worship. You do not see the same thing from Jesus. He accepted the worship of humans and did not rebuke people that worshiped Him.
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2017/09/21 13:02:30
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bodyI'm not following you. How can Jesus be the Word but the Word not be Jesus? Can you explain that a little more? When it says the Word became flesh how do you not equate that to being the Word became baby Jesus? I'm always careful when reading the Bible to try to use the most common sense approach to what it's saying unless it contradicts other verses. If Jesus is not God than whomever wrote this and the rest of the new testament was not very careful with their wording and almost blatantly attempted to lead people astray.
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2017/09/20 21:41:39
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2017/09/20 21:41:33
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2017/09/20 01:11:33
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2017/09/15 15:59:57
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2017/09/12 14:46:54
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2017/09/11 15:56:33
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2017/09/11 15:26:09
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2017/09/11 03:28:27
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2017/09/08 16:02:27
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2017/09/08 00:23:06
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2017/09/07 13:37:39
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2017/09/06 08:43:48
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2017/09/06 05:48:30
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2017/09/06 05:38:27
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2017/09/05 15:55:15
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2017/09/05 14:14:09
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2017/09/05 14:13:33
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2017/09/05 13:49:30
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bodyWhen did Christians deviate from the true Gospel? From the very beginning, while the Apostles were still alive, there were some Christians who were leading and being lead away. This is recorded in the Scriptures. This corruption was further spread by the Council of Nicaea and pushed upon the world by the Roman Catholic church through persecution and bloodshed. Yes there are a group of preserved Christians who hold the truth and have been throughout history but it's not the mainstream Christianity that you see around you. You also hold the same corrupt Christian beliefs that helped birth Islam. >fundamental doctrines(e.g., Jesus' death, resurrection, and deity) This is the problem. You have taken the blasphemous view that Jesus is deity. This teaching is purely the tradition of men and is not only not found in the Scriptures but the Scriptures speak against it. Jesus is a man, the perfect man. He was born of God and sent by God to our Savior. The Messiah is not God and to worship him as God is to give God's glory to another, breaking God's greatest commandment. Many are blind to this truth. Islam is not the way, but if you don't understand where you yourself went astray then you cannot help them find the right way, for you are both lost. True Christianity has one God who is the Father alone, Creator of all and God of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the last Adam, a perfect man who was chosen and sent to reconcile the world back to God. We put our faith in Christ because through Christ we may know the true God, not because he is God.
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2017/08/28 22:21:12
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2017/08/28 21:37:15
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2017/08/27 23:44:24
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