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      "body": "My ideas are also at an early stage. That's why I went public with them, to get the conversation started.  There are some unique properties of things like Java Containers, XML, VMWare/Virtual Machines, that encapsulate data and code to make things more portable. These are technical examples that techies can understand.\n\nWhen it comes to decentralized monetary systems, portability and ease of use are key.  At this early stage, we're not there yet. However our early stage is soon going to be swept from under us by the mammoth conglomerates that run the world.    \n\nNow, I'm not anti-government, or anti-corporation, to a 100%. There is a large grey area, that good government and good corporations can exist.  They need our help though, even if they don't ask for it.\n\nBut until we can move towards are more usable system of competing blockchain in the same space, all we're doing is building API's, toolkits, source code, proof-of-concepts for the rest of the world who will take this and furnish their own system.  Past experience shows that even public blockchain technology, you can still corrupt the space.  So we'll still end up with corruption in this space, but the mainstream layman will get sucked into that too, since we failed to deliver.",
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      "body": "Trying to re-read my first argument and decode it, I think what I was saying was that no matter the attempts to separate human union, the people will never stop trying to unify. \n\nYour concern, is as mine. No person is on a different level of ethics and morals than anyone else. Noone is entitled to say what is right or what is wrong to you or to anyone else. \nLook at all writings of fiction, the only 'acceptable loss' is the self. If that is not the case, then the love of the self is greater than the love for others.\n\nYes, rather than having every person voting on every subject ever, it would be executed in a similar manner to say, Steemit. Just as you would subscribe to a topic or a writer, you could subscribe to a specific branch of governing or issue, maybe subscribe to your favorite person who engages in the system completely. \nHow would marketing, advertising and such play a role in this system? People, and I include myself, are easily influenced by commercials and popular opinion. Will this affect people's judgements? \nOn one hand, popular opinion will always serve to bring important votes to the media. On the other hand, it allows for the same corruption of words we receive from current politicians. \nThirdly, is centralized coverage on 'the news' a legitimate practice under such a system? \n\nI'm glad you also find this system plausible and worth looking into further. Your way of proposing small groups of co-opting to an interest is a great way to quietly slip away from the grasps of plutocracy. \n\nIn regards to the question proposed whether any one percent of the populus has the right to coerce the other into something they do not agree with I think it would make sense to ask the question why this situation would arise at all. \nIf there ever was a vote which put two groups of people opposed to each other I would like to believe negotiation trumps flat out declination of an agreement.",
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      "body": "The mere pursuit to unify all human beings is a negation of the idea that human beings must be coerced into doing right. Unless of course the absence of being unified is what is coercing us to unify ourselves. The separation between one human and another both grows large and diminishes as they both learn to see that they're both pursuing the same thing, albeit through different means. Is the ultimate challenge to overcome, one of violence? By abstaining violence it puts the challenge of the aggressor to decide if violence is right or wrong. Not until one of the two submits to not use violence will the other consider non-violence as the better alternative. \nSecondly, global government does not necessarily require a small or large group of people to be in charge. With the internet and a way to represent each and every one individual vote the globe itself could be one unified democracy. The most common argument against this idea is that people are dumb, and well, I think it's more dumb to alleviate oneself of responsibility to another human being, or group of humans. I do however understand the necessity of it throughout human history because there had/have been no previous way of working together. We're starting to see a change in that.\nThirdly, because people are corruptable, it does make sense to put the actual government in code. This code is made by humans, maintained by humans and can be altered by humans. Just like the book of laws in your respective nations, yet this will be supervised by the entire global population. \nYes, to distributing power to the masses.",
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