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      "body": "> I shared your post on Cardano's Ouroboros onCardano's forum and there are some counter arguments https://forum.cardano.org/t/scaling-decentralization-security-of-distributed-ledgers-part-4-steemit/13118\n\nI see he updated his post and I’m happy my elocution is closer to mutual agreement. He still has a few concerns and I would like to address those herein.\n\nI appreciate the following quoted correction to what [I had written](https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2095328.120#msg21165866) in 2017 (which was posted on my behalf by @‍Traxo):\n\n   > This quote is wrong in the assumption that Ouroboros requires >50% of supply to be locked in stake. The actual requirement is that >50% of _active stake is online_. Which means that if only 30% of all supply is locked in the stake for the current epoch - then >50% of THAT number (>15% of supply) is ONLINE - i.e. nodes that control >15% of total supply are on average online for that epoch.\n\n   Okay that concurs with for example my recent suggestions in the Proof-of-Approval thread at `bitcointalk.org` for how to active sufficient liveness by only considering the stake which is activated during an extended interval. That also improves security because we know that stake isn’t moving to new public-key identities during that locked-in interval. So I entirely concur that is a viable mechanism.\n\n   > In that comment he actually mentions that Ouroboros addresses the “nothing-at-stake” problem [right in the whitepaper](https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/889.pdf#page=47) and argues that as long as the majority of the stake is honest - nothing-at-stake is not possible, because of the [forkable strings analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBKCbhX-dXI).\n\n   However, I think his entire reply as quoted above and about “honest majority” (and different possible thresholds for BFT) is missing my point. I am referring to the fact that even if the consensus of the online majority was correct and secure, this does nothing to help objectivity of the users who were offline and come online and are presented with an unbounded number of forks by the attacker. These are the “Past Majority Attacks” mentioned in the original Ouroboros whitepaper.\n\n   Separately I have another concern which is to his point about “honest majority”. The security of the online majority does not prevent an attacker who exceeds the liveness threshold from making the entire system stuck, nor does it prevent an attacker exceeding the safety threshold from censoring and taking all the rewards in the system (which is the more subtle attack than double-spending). This is the incentive (aka economic power vacuum) which drives the formation of an oligarchy in all extant proof-of-stake systems. Also the designs which require a super majority to exceed safety tolerance then have only minority liveness tolerance (so more easily stuck).\n\n   Those two paragraphs summarize why I do not consider extant proof-of-stake systems viable for the Internet. But don’t fret, I already know to fix those issues.\n\n   <sup>Yet Charles ignored my attempted communications on `bitcointalk.org` and Skype when I was very ill and asked for him to help me out to bring me to Hong Kong in 2016 (from the Philippines where I was trapped in poverty and shitty healthcare system suffering from gut Tuberculosis and not even knowing it, thought I had Multiple Sclerosis) so I could get proper healthcare and then work on his team. Remember Charles and I briefly exchanged messages on Skype to discuss possibly launching a project together after he left Bitshares and before he found Vitalik, but I had to decline because of my declining health in 2013 (which became horrific by 2015). Anyway, due to my hard work even while in horrific delirium and thanks to the kindness of others by 2017 I finally received loans to go to Singapore and they diagnosed my illness and I was undergoing highly liver toxic antibiotic treatment during the entire 2017 and just now finally coming back to the sort of health where I can work effectively. Please tell Charles that [Wadler is incorrect about the global canonicity of typeclasses](https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/scaling-decentralization-security-of-distributed-ledgers-part-3). I will also add that I was critical of WAVES and at the time I thought “Russian scammers” were trying to sell FOMO hype to greater fools. Charles wants to be friends with everyone so presumably he didn’t like my abrasive public comments. But at the time I was trying to figure out how does one launch and finance a project in this industry when ICOs are really illegal but the “Russian scammers” can use jurisdictional arbitrage to get away with it, while we US citizens can’t compete without incriminating ourselves. Also my experience with trying to hire freelance coders from Eastern Europe and Russia had given me a bad impression. Anyway, since that time I've become more knowledge about various options and also met online more people from that side of the world where I’ve never visited. And I have also become bewildered at even the attitudes of developers in my own birth nation. The world [has gone insane with social justice, democracy, and socialism nonsense](https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues/35#issuecomment-397781638). My impression is that Charles subscribes philosophically to some degree to that madness. And obviously so does Dan Larimer. 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