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      "body": "The Blaze wasted a bunch of ones and zeros letting us know that No. 42 is still considered to be in the top three presidents in recent history along with Kennedy and Reagan…pretty good company I’d say:\n\nNew survey shows Americans’ favorite presidents — Bill Clinton won’t be pleased\nhttp://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/27/new-survey-shows-americans-favorite-presidents-and-bill-clinton-wont-be-happy\n\nInterestingly…the only Democratic*** president to ever be impeached, and who Republicans pilloried for decades, still has a commanding 15 point lead over Republican Dwight Eisenhower (though I have no issues with Eisenhower and believe by today’s standards he would be considered a liberal Democrat and not a Republican, which is true of all the Republicans on the list including Reagan – who would be straddling the contemporary divide between Democrats and Republicans; as for Bush Sr.?  We all know he secretly  voted for Hillary Clinton.) Seeing how Glenn Beck and his compatriots at the Blaze chose to put their efforts into such an inconsequential article during this heightened time of partisanship, and with an administration in crisis, a look at No. 42 and the circumstances of his impeachment must be on the forefront of the minds of today’s Republican leadership as they shoulder the burden of being solely and unequivocally responsible for the stewardship of the nation and protectors of the Constitution and its tradition of the rule of law.\n\nAs the most contemporaneous example of the degree of misconduct that the Republican Party endorsed and pursued impeachment proceedings it is absolutely imperative that we look to that benchmark as guideposts for what the American public and the Republican Party should guide their actions by in the crisis we are faced with today. In these partisan times it would not be fair to Republicans to apply the standards set by the Democrats when they initiated impeachment proceedings against President Nixon.\n\nIt would therefore be impossible, without abandoning every shred of self respect and decency and laying bare one’s puerile mud-raking partisanship and vomitous hypocrisy and soullessness, to argue that the benchmark set by Republicans, and which is fresh in our collective prefrontal cortex, should not be applied to the current Republican President. Also, there is the argument that it is just fair to apply the standard last applied to the current situation. Furthermore, since the Republican’s succeeded in impeaching the President, it must be a prime example of the degree of misconduct that justifies the extraordinary decision to pursue articles of impeachment. So what were the Articles of Impeachment against President Clinton?\n\nFor the sake of brevity, and since most of us are familiar with the facts, I’m only going to discuss the facts that formed the basis of the impeachment charges. President Clinton was charged with 4 counts and convicted of two. The two charges resulting in his impeachment were: (1) perjury, and (2) obstruction of justice. The specific facts that those charges applied to (after 6 years of investigation by a special prosecutor) were he lied under oath during a deposition about having sexual relations with a White House intern in a questionable sexual harassment lawsuit for alleged conduct that happened before he was elected president. The obstruction of justice charge derives from the lying under oath, not from any attempt to interfere with the Special Prosecutor or other conduct, just the fact that the lying under oath would constitute obstruction.\n\nWithout any embellishment, here is what is currently on the record: (1) President Trump fired the FBI Director and publicly admitted that the decision to fire the Director was because of the investigation into known ties between the President’s campaign; (2) after months of self-righteous indignation and denials that there were any meetings between the Trump campaign and Russian officials we know of numerous meetings; (3) Michael Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI, which tells us that the Special Counsel had evidence and could have charged much more serious crimes, he is also cooperating witht he Special Counsel; (4) another advisor who orchestrated meetings with Russians also pled guilty to criminal charges and is cooperating with the Special Counsel; (5) and the Chairman of the Trump Campaign has been indicted and is facing numerous criminal charges.  \n\nFrom a legal perspective, and we are governed by the rule of law, the fact that Trump could fire the Director for any reason does not give him immunity if any particular firing constitutes obstruction of justice. Whether a firing is an obstruction of justice depends on whether the reason for the firing was to obstruct justice. In this case the ongoing investigation into Russia’s ties to the Trump campaign. If the reason Trump fired the Director was because Trump thought Comey bought his suits were off the rack at Sears or JCPenny that would be fine, no issue. But Trump said on national television, contradicting everything his staff had said previously, that he fired Comey because of the investigation into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia.\n\nTrump walked out onto Fifth Avenue and shot the rule of law in the head when he fired Comey.  We are now watching the aftermath.  He is now raping our heritage and what makes us unique among much of the internationional community; i.e. our tradition of abiding by the rule of law.  And he is not alone.  As he defiles our most steemed insitutions and the free press, his supporters’ and the Republican leadership are applauding.  Their reaction says everything anyone needs to know about their character.\n\nToday there are two types of people in America:  Americans and Republicans.  Without question, today's Republicans are traitors to our heritage, the Constitution, and to every principle that defines this country and makes it different from Putin’s Russia.\n\nThe travesty, and I mean heart wrenching travesty, is that his supporters believe in their heart of hearts that they have been suffering for so long and under such oppression and neglect that they would be better off if America was more like Russia. They are stupendously ignorant. They have no frame of reference because they have led insular spoiled lives. Unlike the rest of use who have taken responsibility for our lives and tried to adjust to changes in the economy by moving to where we might get work, or going back to college, these people sat on their lawn-chairs, tied the appropriate ribbon around their tree, and waved their flags and just sat on their asses waiting for the government to do something to change their situation. God forbid they take action. Move to a different part of the state or country where there are jobs, go back to school, and everything they chastised those other folks who were in a similar predicament but who were maybe a little darker complexion and didn’t quite schmooze enough at the Elks Lodge. They are just so angry, entitled, and emotionally handicapped that they don’t care if we have a Bill of Rghts. As long as it is their team that is body slamming reporters, jailing the brown folk, taking their health insurance (how ridiculous is that, they are so scrambled and handicapped that when they are kicked off from the health insurance they got from Obama, they won’t care because it’s Trump took it from them). How do you save people from themselves?\n\nFor our system of government to work, we need an informed citizenry. At times like these we should be brushing up on our history so that when we are confronted with things like current events we can contextualize them and not overreact. Having done that myself, what we face today is an absolute travesty and anyone (even the guy that lives under the bridge and who talks to box trolls) who discusses impeachment as a reasonable course of action is actually well within the guardrails of having a sane and reasoned reaction to this catastrophe of a Presidency. If you believe that President Clinton should have been and was justifiably impeached but that Donald Trump shouldn’t be impeached for what is already in the public record you have absolutely zero credibility and are a partisan hack…double check that contract you signed when you gave up your soul, there may be a way out of it still.\n\n***Before the Republican’s get their panties in a bunch, Andrew Jackson was not a Democrat but aligned himself with the Democratic-Republican Party. His winning the Presidency led to the breakup of the D-R Party and the founding of the Democratic Party. Which is all irrelevant because if you are still reading this thinking Jackson was impeached you have just been “Olie’d” (in honor of John Oliver’s intentionally misidentifying countries on maps as gentle reminders of our ignorance). President Andrew Johnson, President Lincoln’s VP and successor, is the only other President to ever be impeached and he was also a Democrat. 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Liberals hold a very diverse collection of views because we are really big on the whole free speech, education, and freedom of expression thing. But here are a couple ways your life might be changed:\n\nYou would wake up in the morning and get ready to go to work. Regardless of what you did for a living, if you worked you would make enough money to pay your rent and feed your family. If you woke up sick as a dog you would call your local clinic or doctor and if your symptoms indicated it was necessary they would schedule a time for you to come in and meet with a PA or nurse. The call wouldn’t cost you anything and if you went to the clinic you might pay a $10-$20 co-pay if you could afford it. Oh, and you wouldn’t need to prove you had health insurance and neither would your neighbors regardless of whether your neighbor is Bill Gates or a Jimmy John’s delivery boy.  The type of care you got would be the same as it is today; after all it’s the same doctors, nurses, and hospitals that you had before healthcare reform.\n\nIf you didn’t have a job you would probably be eligible for the same sort of benefits that you have available to you today so that wouldn’t change that much, but there might be a nicer career center staffed by pleasant people that really want to help you get work. But you would no long have to suffer through soul crushing fear and anxiety that if you or someone in your family got ill you would not have insurance or that treatment would result in you going bankrupt. In fact you would never even use the term “insurance” in connection with healthcare because it would be a universal service equally accessible to everyone. Now as you are pulling into the parking you will see Audi A4s, BMW 325s, Volvos where there were once A8s, 760i, and Porsches. It will be a difficult transition for the doctors and hospital administrators.\n\nWhen your kid comes home with his/her acceptance letter to the state university, you will rest assured that if your child maintains certain grades and works hard they will be able to get a college degree for a couple thousand dollars.  You will sleep well at night realizing your child will not be an indentured servant to some ambiguous student loan company for the majority of their life.\n\nAfter you get through your morning you might jump on to the Internet, which is Gigabit internet offered through fiber optic and which costs you somewhere around $20-$30 a month because after the Government infrastructure investment laid the fiber-optics all the service and content providers were given the same opportunity to sell you their ISP services and local monopolies were no longer able to set artificial prices. You will be absolutely frustrated though because when you log in to your social media you will still be forced to hear all those ideas and fake news because Liberals do not believe in censorship and reducing libel and laws that protect free speech like conservative want to see happen.\n\nYou will also remember what happened immediately after Trump’s FCC director eliminated net neutrality and Comcast started charging crazy rates to companies so that their content would not be throttled. It was scary because there were only a few major international corporations that could pay the ransoms being demanded by the ISPs and those small conservative think tanks and social commentators you enjoy reading were pushed out because they couldn’t deliver content in a way that wasn’t like using your old 56k dial up modem. You will also breath a sigh of relief knowing that all of your internet activity was not being monitored by some company that is not accountable to you. As for the government, not much will change there unfortunately. The NSA will still be vacuuming up all of our data, not even the liberals could put that one away. But on this day at least, you know when you want to go to that little conservative commentator blog you love, it will be there and will have been treated exactly the same as the liberal rag Huff Post, even though Huff Post could afford to pay more to highlight their content they just aren’t allowed to.\n\nNow some companies like Facebook and Google may put monitors in place to make sure truly fake news from the Russian Confederation (which was formed after Putin rolled into Ukraine and Poland during Trump administration – you will chuckle when you reminisce that that guy was actually the president for 9 months…it was a crazy time you will chuckle).\n\nNot a lot will change actually. You will still have to suffer through insufferable radical liberal college students trying to shout down the insufferable alt-right college students; each whining about needing safe spaces on campus. But your work environment will still be pretty much depend on the management. But if you are a woman, well then you can rest assured that when you and your male counterpart were hired you were both making the same amount of money for doing the same job. And with work: If your wife is pregnant, when the baby comes you and your wife will likely have at least 9 months of paid family leave between the two of you. So maybe your wife wants to spend two months at hoe with the baby while you work, you then get that third month to stay at home and learn how change a diaper and wifey goes to work. 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      "body": "Redeemer, the next pendulum swing is in process and after the 2018 midterms there is a real possibility of a veto-proof Democratic controlled Congress.  At that point it will likely be codified by statute vs. regulation.  Unless between now and then the courts find that this recent repeal was arbitrary.  The absolute dirth of evidentiary support for the purported reasons for the rule change, as well as the bad faith conduct of Ajit Pai concerning the manipulating of the public comment period.  One can hope.\n\nRegardless, I understand the sentiments and their political inspiration, but that still doesn't make them anymore relevant applicable to the threat posed by the elimination of net neutrality and the change of classification to Title I Information Service from Common Carrier:\n\"In a decentralized, deregulated market, you can't claim to know the likelihood of anything.\"<--- Of course you can.  The markets do it on a daily basis.  We also have a history of conduct, recent statements, market incentives, and admissions in litigtion that the ISPs INTEND to do exactly what we are concerned about, i.e. abuse their role as gatekeepers and prioritize, throttle, and censor content where it is in the interest of the ISPs and their shareholders.  There is little prognosticating here.  The ISPs will slowly introduce changes.  They will make subtle adjustments to their terms of service that will be vague and ambiguous to the 1-3% of customers that reportedly read the terms of service.  There is no question they will do it, the question is how far will they go.\n\n\"Just because something has overwhelming support does not mean an idea is a good one.\"<---Can't argue with that logic as a general proposition.  But there really isn't a debate as to whether net-neutrailty is good.  If the value basis is a free and open Internet where neither government or private industry  is able to discriminate different Internet content, net-neutrality is GOOD.  We have the history of the Internet (which has ALWAYS operated with a form of net neutrality under governement regulation.  It was not always called \"net netrality\" but the principle of treating all traffice equally was the prime component.  It was the legal challenges to those regulations that actually ended up in the classification of ISPs to Title II Common Carrier and what we call net-neutrality).\n\n\"...a law that also gives the FCC the ability to censor content as well as regulate the internet?\"<---This is just a bizarre statement because it is a complete lie.  The FCC has absolutely zero ability to censor content.  It is also a lie that the FCC has any ability to regulate the Internet.  The FCC cannot regulate the Internet.  In fact, I cannot think of a single governement entity in the United States that regulates the Internet.  The FCC's authority extends to the interstate delivery of the Internet.  So it has no authority to censor content or content creators.  Up until yesterday's repeal of the Title II classification the FCC was required to intervene and PREVENT any censorship.  \n\nAsk yourself this question: If the FCC had the ability to censor the Internet, why have they not censored terrorist web sites, racist groups, or pornogeraphy?  IN FACT the arguments and fears of government censorship are the height of bullsh*t.  Tell us any time that the governement tried to or was successful in censoring anything.  Remember the First Amendment?  That applies to the government.  It doesn't apply to private companies.  So your paranoid, libretarian, fear of governement censorship has absolutely zero basis in reality.  In the ENTIRE HISTORY of this country, there have not been any examples of successful censorship.  And more telling is the number of times where it may have tried to censor anything can be counted on one hand.  Pornography, the Pentagon Papers, WiKi Leaks, etc. etc. etc.  The complete disingenuous and spiteful nature of that single argument says a lot about those that adopt it: either they have no understanding of history or are fear mongering in a gross and debasing manner.\n\n\"We want companies to succeed so they spend money on jobs and innovation.\"<---In return for letting them control what information we have access to and the opportunity to censor on a level that we could never imagine from the government as long as they tell us they are censoring material in their terms of service?  You apparently do not value the Internet as it is and has been because of net neutrality principles.  You are asking and endorsing and happy that the ISPs will now commodotize the Interent and actively discriminate against content for whatever reasons they want with no governement oversight.  And while I have agreed with your concerns about local government regulation of rights of way, it is only a part of the problem (and not as big as I think you believe).  So in the meantime, nobody (you included) has provided a reason for the need to get rid of net neutrality while the market conditions, e.g. regional monopolies, exist and which compound the the harm to consumers, e.g. you, me, and every person that subscribes to an ISP.  So are the relatively small number (and speculative) of jobs worth that trade off?  If so , please just move to Russia where the oligarchy is well established; really you don't have to wait for the collapse of our republican democracy.\n\nI would love to read something more about the issue of local regulation of rights of way...it might be somethign you would research and write a post about.  I think it deserves more attention since I am one of the very few who lives in the remainig expansion area for Google Fiber that Google has committed to build out before calling it quits.  In the meantime, I assume you are willing to pick up the tab on the Netflix surcharge Comcast is likely to impose, so where should I send my bill when it comes?  I'll accept a check and I don't even need to see your ID.",
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      "body": "Redeemer,I read the articles you identified. On the issue of changes needed in order to increase competition we agree.  But the here and now (specifically tomorrow) does not change the fact that ISPs have regional monopolies, have greater market incentives to capitalize on their gatekeeper roles by maximizing their ROI through network traffic \"management\", and would not be so hell bent on reversing net neutrality if they had no intention of implementing new pricing models that are based on manipulating network traffic.\n\nThat last part is an important observation.  Ajit Pai and the ISPs are proclaiming as loudly as they can that (1) there is no history of ISPs abusing their role (which is false, remember that Title II reclassification came about because Comcast unilaterally blocked all BitTorrent traffic, challenging the then regulatory regime being used by the FCC to put net neutrality in place) and (2) that they will not be manipulating internet traffic between their networks, the Internet, and the consumer.  In effect they are saying that it won't change anything.  If so, then why the extreme efforts to reverse the policy in the face of overwhelming public opposition?  One has to look at the likely motivations of the actors in order to assess the veracity of their assertions and positions.  It's like when one weighs climate science or the tobacco lobby.  The ISPs without question are the only industy sector that will immediately reap the overwhelming benefits from getting rid of net neutrality; those benefits are maximizing revenue and profit generation from their network.  And how do they do that?  There are not that many viable options except for monetizing network traffic.  So my position is that until there is truly a competitive ISP market where consumers have choice and market competition incentivises a type of net neutrality without the need for government enforcement, the ISPs cannot be trusted to not abuse their monopolies, becasue if they truly don't intend to monetize network traffic, they would not be so hell bent on pursuing such an unpopular reform.\n\nSo ultimately, on the immediate need for net neutrality to stay in place we will have to agree to disagree.  My frustration is that if my position were to prevail it would not increase the likelihood that the nightmare scenario i used earlier of Comast charging $15 to access Netflix coming about, whereas your positon does.",
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