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      "body": "又见到你了，眼光总是这么犀利。不矛盾，大鲸跑路与运营团队跑路是两回事，投票持有人在股市把股票卖掉跟上市公司跑掉不是一回事，大鲸只是股票持有人，而 Steemit.inc 团队才是上市公司，他们不可能跑路。\n\n关于SteemIt盈利模式，我之前也表达过自己的观点，Steem的重点在于注意力经济，而不靠广大读者来付费。\n\n当聚集到一定人气，形成足够注意力后。\n\n品牌机构会入驻，通过投入资金进行广告宣传，形式除了硬广，还可能有其他更丰富的形式，比如通过给产品使用者写的产品评价点赞投票等。\n\n除了品牌机构，想出名的个人也会投资，让自己的投票更有价值，吸引更多的粉丝，比如，我就在攒SP，给我的追随着投票，鼓励朋友们跟我留言交流。\n\n各种机构、个人可能会花钱Promote发布的通知、声明等，现在已经有在做的，看promoted页面。\n\n生态链发展也会让Steem更值钱\n\n基于Steem的游戏可能获得发展，当前，简单的SteemDice就有很多人在玩，形成强大注意力后，必然有人开发更好玩的Steem游戏。\n\n建立在Steem区块链基础上，做个网上商城不成问题，已经有人做出来了。\n\n即便Steem作为单独的货币，也有很多优势，用户名即地址，转帐迅速，无交易费，这一点可以通过给我转帐体会一下。\n\n正是你看不到它清楚的盈利模式，才说明它潜力无限，要是人人都一眼看到了其必然的利润增长点，早有资本大鳄砸钱做竞争产品了（目前就有跃跃**欲试**或**已试**的了）。\n\n当然，我也一直强调，风险也存在，Steem有可能倒掉。",
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