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      "body": "-\"There's absolutely no verses that say everyone will go to heaven eventually\" with all respect, there actually is a verse that says this. I quoted it earlier and it is John 6:37. It says \"ALL that the Father giveth me, SHALL COME TO ME, and him that cometh to me I will in nowise cast out\". As we know from an earlier verse, God gave everyone on the planet to Jesus and according to this, they all going to come to him. We know that in order to be saved, you must enter Christ consciousness. Then the verse goes on to even say that these people will not be cast out. So they will be saved. The concept of an eternal hell fire was created by cherry picking many different unrelated verses from different parts of the bible and putting them together. I have never seen a verse that says all in one place something like \"when we die, we all go to judgment where we will either go to heaven or hell. Sin sends us to hell but accepting Jesus will get you eternal life\".  You just cannot do that without quoting all sorts of different verses that are unrelated to each other\n\n-You quoted Revelation 14:9-11 NIV. This is not a good verse to sport the idea of hell for a number of reasons. Firstly, as we all know, revelations is a symbolic book and is not meant to be taken literally. We can be sure of this because in the begging of it, the angel tells John that the visions his seeing are metaphorical and he even explains the symbolism of some of them. We don’t take the part where it says “will drink of the wine” as being literal alcohol. So why take the flame part as being literal. That's cherry picking. Why should the burning flames be literal but the beasts with many heads are figurative of something else. \n\nI think the wine represents sin and the burning is the pain of being disconnected from God due to sinning. Many bad decisions such as addictions can lead to suffering in this life and the next. It is not a literal fire just like the candle sticks or the beast with many heads in this book are not either. All metaphorical.\n\n-You also mention Romans 9:21-24 NIV. I do not read mention of the word hell here and I also do not see it saying we will eternally burn in hell. This verse compares God making us to how a potter makes clay. Due to him creating us, he has power over ourselves. It also says he is allowed to destroy the vessels. You assumed that this destroying of the vessels is symbolic of eternal hell fire. Its not healthy to assume things like this. This verse is actually very vague and metaphorical. The destruction spoken about here could be physical death. It would not be surprising because in the bible, God has ended the life of people who have sinned. It could also be symbolic of all sorts of other things. Why jump to the conclusion that this has something to do with hell when it does not specifically say so\n\n-You also quote Matthew 7:13-14 which talks about how the path to destruction is wide but the gate is narrow which leads to eternal life. Notice how it says destruction but the word “hell” or \"eternal\" is not anywhere here? Why? Why doesn't Jesus ever talk about this stuff directly all in one place? Its almost like we need to search for verses that vaguely represent hell. What kind of destruction is this verse referring to? It could be physical death.\n\nNow remember that Jesus did not write the bible. My research has lead me to believe that when Jesus spoke of eternal life, he was speaking about living forever without having to die and reincarnate. Now at first that might sound a little weird to you. You probably believe that reincarnation is not a Christian concept and I also use to think so. 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Then the one you end up in will be based on whether you believed in Jesus or not (their religion). This way they could convert more people and get them under one faith. Before then the concept of being punished forever for not believing in a god, was an odd idea. \n\nThey got people to believe this distortion through burning books that spoke about Jesus true teachings and misquoting many unrelated verses in the canon bible. Examples include some of the stuff you have given me such as revelations (symbolic book), Romans 9:21-24, Matthew 7:13-14, etc. If you were never taught about the concept of eternal hell and you read the bible, there would be nothing in these verses that would lead you to believe that its talking about eternal punishment after death. \n\nIt is weird though. Even with the churches attempts to leave reincarnation out of the bible, there is still verses that seem to reference it in our canon bible we have today. \n\nHere is a link to a video going through some of these verses- https://steemit.com/spiritual/@dreasalb/bible-verses-that-seem-to-confirm-reincarnation-being-biblical\n\nAlso if the idea of reincarnation sounds a bit hindu, you would be surprised to know that there is actually a wealth of evidence in the form of ancient texts that Jesus actually did go to India to study there\n\nhttps://steemit.com/jesus/@dreasalb/proof-that-jesus-visited-india-to-study-under-the-gurus-there \n\nSo when Jesus talks about eternal life without death, he is talking about escaping having to repeatedly die from the reincarnation cycle. When you reincarnate, you are forced to go through death over and over again. Eternal life is when you escape the physical world and no longer need to reincarnate. 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The rich man also died and was buried. {23} In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. {24} So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.' {25} \"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. {26} And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.' {27} \"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, {28} for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' {29} \"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' {30} \"'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' {31} \"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'\"</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>Here is my response<strong><br>\n</strong></p>\n<p>I did not say there was no hell but said its not eternal. All will eventually get to heaven. There are many verses saying that all men will be saved such as the following<br>\n</p>\n<ul>\n  <li>1 Timothy 2:3-4 3 \"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;<br>\nWho will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.\"</li>\n</ul>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>Also in John 17:2, it says \"Thou hast given him power over ALL flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him\" This verse says that God gave all sentient beings to Jesus. Thats every one. It also says that he did this so that all that God has given Jesus shall have eternal life<br>\n<br>\nMatthew 6:10 says \"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven\". This means that Gods will shall always be done. So if God gave all to Jesus that everyone person may be saved, then it has to happen. There cannot be some people who burn forever and others that live. That conflicts with the will of God that will be fulfilled no matter what.&nbsp;</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>If you still have any doubts, check out John 6:37 that says \"ALL that the Father giveth me, SHALL COME TO ME, and him that cometh to me I will in nowise cast out\". This means all will eventually turn to Christ conciousness. If you download a software called e-sword, you will see many of the verses that seem to mention hell being forever is a miss translation. Original greek is something more like aeons which just means a long period of time.</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>Heaven is also a misconception. Its not a place you go to when you die but an internal state of enlightenment we can access on earth or in spirit after death. It is written in Luke 17:20-21 \"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU\"</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>This verse clearly states that the kingdom of God will not be something you can see when it says \"Will not come with observation\". They will also not say look its here or there so it has no place. It then nicely finishes by saying its within you.This makes even more sense when you think about those verses that says God will build his kingdom on earth or that we as people are the church</p>\n<p><br></p>\n<p>Lastly think about the philosophical aspect eternal hell fire. Would an all loving and powerful god really allow his people to burn forever. Even if they were sinners, he could prepare a separate place for them somewhere else that does not include suffering. 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      "body": "I did not say there was no hell but said its not eternal. All will eventually get to heaven. There are many verses saying that all men will be saved such as the following\n\n-1 Timothy 2:3-4  3 \"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;\n Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.\"\n\nAlso in John 17:2, it says \"Thou hast given him power over ALL flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him\" This verse says that God gave all sentient beings to Jesus. Thats every one. It also says that he did this so that all that God has given Jesus shall have eternal life\n\nMatthew 6:10 says \"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven\". This means that Gods will shall always be done. So if God gave all to Jesus that everyone person may be saved, then it has to happen. There cannot be some people who burn forever and others that live. That conflicts with the will of God that will be fulfilled no matter what.\n\nIf you still have any doubts, check out John 6:37 that says \"ALL that the Father giveth me, SHALL COME TO ME, and him that cometh to me I will in nowise cast out\". This means all will eventually turn to Christ conciousness\n\nIf you download a software called e-sword, you will see many of the verses that seem to mention hell being forever is a miss translation. Original greek is something more like aeons which just means a long period of time\n\nHeaven is also a misconception. Its not a place you go to when you die but an internal state of enlightenment we can access on earth or in spirit after death. It is written in Luke 17:20-21\n\n\"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:\nNeither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU\"\n\nThis verse clearly states that the kingdom of God will not be something you can see when it says \"Will not come with observation\". They will also not say look its here or there so it has no place. It then nicely finishes by saying its within you.\n\nThis makes even more sense when you think about those verses that says God will build his kingdom on earth or that we as people are the church\n\nLastly think about the philosophical aspect eternal hell fire Would an all loving and powerful god really allow his people to burn forever. Even if they were sinners, he could prepare a separate place for them somewhere else that does not include suffering. Why does he not give them a second chance after death? What if some one did not believe Jesus existed and then goes to hell because of it. It is completely unfair. No the truth is far more beautiful and I wish to share it with people. One little bit at a time but first a lot of misconceptions need to be removed. I have had some profound experiences with the divine and it has really touched me deeply. \n\nI hope this has helped. I don't have enough time to explain all verses but check that link to the audio book. Im pretty sure it will answer all questions but if not, send me another comment",
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