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      "body": "Hey, \nthanks for your reply. \nLet me first answer your question. \nI would kick you out of the country if you don't pay taxes in the country you live in. You should leave with all your belongings. If you want to you can come back but just after a years or so.\n\nSo now the things which are kind of personal for me.\nIn my opinion the government is broken. It can't be fixed by a great person but it can be fixed by reassess it. I can just speak for the country I live in, there it is very hard to run as a politician and even if you manage to become one until then you had to do so many favors for so many people that you forgot why you where doing it in the first place. \nThey had the idea in Athens long before Christ birth where they selected politician randomly. The idea was that it doesn't matter who is running for this department can do it as good as anybody else. They where doing this system for quit a while until some rich people started a revolt and at the same time a big army from the east was coming. \nThis idea sounds like total chaos for me but also like a good idea to reinvent a corrupt system.\n\nAlso if you say the government is OK the way it is now why do you think if you would privatize everything it would work better? The past has shown that if companies get governmental institutions the usually ruin it. It is not because they are bad at what they are doing but their interests are just money which is different from a governmental running department which gets the tax money and doesn't have to make profit or profit. \nA good example is shown in the movie \"Water makes money.\" \n\nCheers",
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      "body": "It's not an oversimplification it is how it is everywhere. There's a ruling class and a subject class. Why do you think that the poor are protected? they are not just like I'm not.\n\nYou don't have a choice if you can not say no. picking between two or more rapists does not give you a choice or power or anything even if the rapist would prommisses to safely drive you home, and the other promisses a bath and adding a third doesn't make it better. You have no choice and no freedom.\n\nI would help the old lady  but not by robbing her.\n\nThat you get the poor the rich and nothing in between I don't believe that I think the in between would grow not a bit but a lot. Imagine that all the rules and hoops licenses someone must jump through and pay and have, where not there. \n\nThe government is not broken it can't be fixed by voting or petitioning. It was, and is still, always working perfectly. \n\nWhat do you personally advocate happen to me if I don't pay tax?",
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      "body": "Thanks for the reply.\n>The problem I have so far with private protection companies is, they have to be payed from someone and that someone has to see a need for protection. So why would you want to pay for someone if your are Ok for a while or can buy a fence which is high enough for your home.\n\nYes why would you? Is it not ok for someone to say I defend myself and the ones I love? \nIt's just not ok to force someone to pay.  even when it's used for \"good\"or the \"common good\"\nThan \"you\" are doing criminal things and it does not matter how many agree with you. It's the world on it's head.\nYou could call some one like that egotistical and so social pressure might work. but it's not ok to force someone to pay for something he doesn't want. You wouldn't accept that from the grocery store either.\n\nThere is nothing wrong with \"what if\"\nBut expecting guarantees and solutions and a master plan from someone before you can let the live in freedom is not what matters. Of course you can talk about it and It's not that i don't care about old ladys, children, etc. exactly the opposite. \nBut it's the same as asking a slave; but without slavery who's going to pick the cotton. It does not matter how things will work slavery is evil. period.\nSlavery didn't end with the abolishment of slavery. Only private slavery ended.  Short before that  taxation was introduced. Which in end effect is forced labor  too. If you can not decided what to do with the money you honestly and worked hard for. And are forced (eventually with violence) to give the masters of the plantation a part of your labor then your a slave. That the percentage you pay is lower that the private slaves does not matter, with 80% taxation you're just as much a slave as with 100% taxation that the private plantation owners took with violence.\nThere are more examples that can be made, but that would take very long. and it's late here now ;)\n\nAlso I could make a lot of \"what if\" situations for the current situation but expecting and answer from you. but that would not be very answerable either.  People see government  as an almighty all powerful protector. But in reality they are not  effective and are doing more harm that that they protect.\n\nIt's just that it's such a long standing thing and people are born in [the most dangerous superstition](http://www.mensenrechten.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/the-most-dangerous-superstition-larken-rose-20111.pdf) that they don't see it. It's like being born in a giant cult. If you are born there and everyone says the same thing and you get your 15000 hour indoctrination, you will never think about it's customs and the strangeness or evilness thereof. It's only when you step outside that you will see the illogical and terrible customs and sacrifices etc. they have. \n\n\n>If we are talking about what is right or wrong we have to think about every part of it not just the one we have solutions for right now. Otherwise we are just the same kind of people we complain all the time.\n\nI don't pretend to have a masterplan or solutions for every problem in the world. Government doesn't have solutions either. I can think of solutions. but there could be other people who have better solutions.\nI don't complain about them, I say it's outright immoral what is done. And they, the voters, the politicians and all they hire, must stop violating me.   If someone likes to be a slave that's ok they can vote for a master but I don't have a master. And there is no one who can claim me, my body, my time, my energy. I'm not an egotistical person but I can't be owned or used without my explicit approval or consent. And the most important thing. I must have the ability to say no.\n\nThere are also book and stories of slaves that talk about the phenomenon that their fellow slaves, thought they would be stealing them self from the master and even that the slaves that wanted to be free was stealing himself from the master. \nAnd the mind control was not even that deep most was done with violence. Now the mind control is what keeps most of the slaves under control.\nThis picture says a lot i.m.o.\n![you-john-john-friends-you-if-john-told-you-7447769.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmctwYeenfgrDiL2FbefkajJWqbwDPBDq3AgudYD4b5Fsb/you-john-john-friends-you-if-john-told-you-7447769.png)\n\nI really need to sleep lol. Peace.",
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      "body": "You pay for the police all you want, via tax, but you can not force me to pay what you want. And you can't send your hired mercenaries (police) to make me pay for your hired mercenaries. Than you would be violating me and your mercenaries too. And I need protection from you and your hired mecenaries\n\n\nPolice can only do what normal people also would have the right to do....because they are normal people, just like you and me. They have no higher power and they can not get it from you me or anybody else either, you can not give what you don't have, and imagining that by doing some serious looking pseudo religious rituals you can give them that higher power is just a belief (as in religion) but doesn't give them higher power either. That someone who represents you  can only do what you can do yourself, can also be show in that you can't hire a hitman to kill someone and  give him higher power. You can not give them higher power neither can I. They have the power to stop real crimes, those with a victim. Just like me and you.\n\nAnd the story of the old lady does not change that.\nThat is a, what if, problem. \nAlso that you are being protected, by police, I don't see it. It is really extreme rare that they protected someone (up front) And history shows they did not do much protection. They just follow orders just do their job, which consist of enforcing the whims of the politicians. history shows very well how organized protection always turns to organized murdering of the masses of people they should have protected. But very few of the order followers are actually protecting or turning to the resistance and thereby breaking the law.  (because they are order followers they follow orders not their moral compass or conscience)\nBut of course it could be that, in communistic russia and nazi germany the police did maybe, in the meantime, help some old lady, when they where not buzzy deporting and murdering other innocent people.\n\nAlso  because you  and other people think you \"need\" them doesn't justify them violating me.\n\nMaybe you can not imagine how the free market would bring such a thing. But I'm not gonna be a slave to your lack of imagination. The free market will not bring it either, we ourselves have to do it.\n\nWe are the free market, a market where the initiation of violence is not welcome. Because when there is the initiation of violence, there is no free market.\n\nIt's not hard for me to imagine hiring a protection agency or becoming part of one myself, without using violence and threatening my neighbour to pay for one, or pay me, with the use of violence.\nWe people can organize protection without becoming criminals ourselves, by threatening and stealing and violence. \nBut It's just a hard concept for other people to grasp and I understand that. \n\nEnglish is not my native language so there may be a mistake  or two.\n\nPeace.",
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      "body": "If a \"thief\" guild would come to my house and protect me from something which is not caused by them that would be ok.\nIs it not ok if a policeman protects you from people steeling your stuff? If the policeman want to get money from you so he doesn't steel your stuff thats a different thing. \n\nAlso another problem. You would probably get protection from thiefs all by yourself. So you get guns and security and whatever. But there is a poor lady on the other side of the street. She is almost 80, her husband died a few years ago and they never had kids because she is sterile. She can't protect herself from anything. She should probably get a job but because she is to old nobody wants to hire her because everyone is to afraid she could die any day. How can she be protected by the thiefs? Or should she just live with if because she is already to old and almost dead?  \n\nWho would protect you from people organising to become a \"thief\" guild? You would deal with if with your friends wouldn't you? But what if the people would become more who would protect you? \nThe idea of taxes is to create a bigger thing which is oranised by the people who pay for it. Right now it is not happening in some countries, but thats not because taxes are per se bad.\n\nI'm not saying everything with taxes is great, but I can see the need of taxes. It would be great if we would not need them so people can't fu** do shit with it but I can't see a better option for this problem and I can't image the free market bringing us one.",
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      "body": "So if I come to your door at take money at gunpoint to build a park for your kids...that’s okay? That’s not theft?\n\nWhat if the whole neighborhood agrees you should chip in for the park and they come with me, gun in hand, to take the money? Moral? Alright? Not theft?\n\nWhat if I get everyone in the town, call it “government” and come to your door, and we all agree you should pay for the park (hey, you’ll be getting something in return) or be locked in a cage or killed if you resist? Moral? Of course not. \n\nHow is this any different qualitatively from what the state does when it collects taxes? Your argument isn’t logical.",
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