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      "body": "*\"Just because the state performs a function, it does not automatically invalidate the function.\"*\n\nAgreed. Bastiat discussed this in 1850.\n> \"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.\"\n\nHowever, you lose the plot as soon as you continue your argument. National borders are not analogous to property lines. Other people are notnyournproperty. Government does not represent you. Whether the allegations of immigrant criminality are true or not (and statistically it appears they are less likely to be criminal than 'MURKANS) the fact remains that government is inherently criminal in every aspect of its operation. And if you reject the legitimacy of all usurped centralized power, there is no danger of marxists siezing it.",
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      "body": "Just because the state performs a function,  it does not automatically invalidate the function.  There are good reasons to keep these people out of the country.  This caravan was organized by hardcore Marxists and is in fact being funded by George Soros and the Ford Foundation.  They know that all,  or most,  of these people will end up on welfare (they will likely even teach them how to get on welfare if they have not done so already),  and if these people were to become American citizens,  every statistic indicates that there is an extremely high likelihood that they will vote in increase the welfare state and enact more gun control laws.  This is why the leftists and globalists want to bring them into this country.  It is a divide an conquer strategy.  Sure,  maybe there are a few decent people in the mix who are being used as pawns,  but I'd bet money that the political leanings of the people in this caravan lean heavily to the left,  as in that these are people who Marxist wealth redistribution,  government healthcare,  and gun control.  They will also be more accepting of global government.  It has also already come out that some of the people in the caravan are criminal thugs.  Also,  some of these people could be carrying communicable diseases (especially given that they are from a third world country which are known for spreading diseases).  \n\nThe fact of the matter is that the government has a monopoly over the borders and immigration policy,  and the government also has a monopoly on managing all of the taxpayer funded public property and infrastructure.  The private sector is prohibited from \"regulating\" property borders.  We live in a democratic welfare state with forced association laws.  \n\nGiven this reality,  granting these people access to the country increase the level of force and fraud a lot more than shutting them out does (and I would argue that shutting them out is an act of defense).",
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      "body": "Larken,  I agree with you on point b,  but I disagree with you on point a.  \n\nThis Honduran caravan is NOT an example of \"peaceful people crossing borders,\"  this is an orchestrated stunt that has been organized by radical Marxists,  and which is being funded by globalists like George Soros.  \n\nDon't believe it?  \n\nINVESTIGATION: Meet the Radical Anti-U.S. Marxists behind the Migrant Caravan\n\nhttp://benjaminarie.com/investigation-radical-marxists-migrant-caravan/\n\nFrom the article:  \"A mob of foreigners numbering over 7,000 is streaming toward the U.S. border, moving steadily like an army on the march. The left insists that it is organic, an innocent group of refugees just trying to escape hardship.\n\nBut there is far more going on behind the scenes than meets the eye.\n\nAfter digging into the background of a man who authorities believe organized the caravan and pouring over Spanish-language sources, some eye-opening facts have been uncovered.\n\nThere is strong evidence that Bartolo Fuentes, a far-left organizer who is a key part of the Central American caravan, is more radical than previously reported. In fact, he is an avowed socialist who is motivated to retaliate against the United States.\n\nAlso connected to the supposedly “organic” caravan are numerous Central American communist groups, which openly despise the U.S. and have pledged to 'conquer' it.\"\n\nConfirmed: Open Borders Group Behind Illegal Alien Caravan Is Linked to Soros’s Open Society\n\nhttps://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/confirmed-open-borders-group-behind-illegal-alien-caravan-is-linked-to-soross-open-society/\n\n\"The open borders group behind the illegal alien caravan marching to the US border is funded by several liberal organizations including Soros’s Open Society.\n\nThe Pueblo Sin Fronteras (“People Without Borders”) is a project of La Familia Latina Unida, a Chicago, Illinois-based 501(c)(4) illegal immigration advocacy organization formed in 2001 by Elvira Arellano, an activist for immigrants living illegally in the United States.\n\nThe group is part of the CARA Coalition and is funded by a number of major left-of-center grantmaking foundations, including the Open Society Foundations, MacArthur Foundation, Ford Foundation, and Carnegie Corporation of New York.\"\n\n\nIs anyone reading this really naive enough to believe that these Marxist organizers,  and the globalist puppet masters who are funding this,  like George Soros and his Open Society Foundation,  really give a rat's ass about libertarian principles?  \n\nWe don't live in a private property anarcho-capitalist society,  but if we did,  this issue should be clear to anyone who calls themselves a libertarian.  Property owners have the right to exclude people from their property.  If this were a privatized city,  or a private condominium complex,  a caravan barging in would be a blatant violation of property rights.  If some property owner wanted to take them in,  they could do it,  so long as they did not violate the property rights of others in the process.  \n\nWe don't live in a private property anarcho-capitalist society.  We live in a defacto democratic welfare state with forced association laws and lots of public (ie-taxpayer funded) property and infrastructure.  The government monopolizes the function of regulating borders and immigration.  The same situation exists everywhere else in the world.  \n\nGiven this reality,  advocating that just anyone should be able to waltz in with no questions asked,  regardless of whether the people entering are Marxists or theocrats or criminal thugs or welfare seekers or communicable disease carriers,  violates the rights of the existing resident taxpayers (who are the true owners of the \"public\" property and infrastructure in the country).  This is forced association.  Forced association is not libertarian.  Marxists,  theocrats,  criminal thugs,  and welfare seekers are NOT peaceful people,  and communicable disease carriers (which are more likely to come from third world countries) pose a threat to the existing population.  \n\nMultiple surveys indicate that the vast majority of Americans want to see immigration reduced.  The most recent survey I saw said that 81% of Americans want less immigrants.  Most people do not mind some immigrants,  provided that they are actually peaceful and productive people,  but the majority of people do not want immigrants who pose a burden to the taxpayers by sucking up a disproportionate amount of welfare money and other taxpayer funded services,  nor do they want criminal thugs,  nor do they want communicable disease carriers.  The majority of people also do not want to be ethnically or culturally displaced by large numbers of immigrants,  particularly high time preference (as in people who lack the discipline to delay gratification) immigrants who have higher birth rates than the existing population,  and who have no qualms about becoming welfare moochers.  Most people also don't like it when immigrants become \"citizens\" and form voting blocks,  which means that they can gain political power,  and use that political power against much of the existing population.  Statistics indicate that a super-majority of modern day immigrants not only use welfare and other taxpayer funded services at a rate that is higher than that of most of the rest of the existing population,  they also vote in super-majority numbers to expand the welfare state and pass more gun control laws.  \n\nI know that you don't care about elections Larken,  but whether you care about them or not,  we have to live with the results.  I know that Democrats and Republicans are both corrupt,  and that Libertarians rarely win anything (and even with the Libertarian Party,  its last three presidential tickets have been unprincipled jokes) beyond a low level local office where they can't accomplish much of anything,  but even so, sometimes a good bill gets passed,  or a bad bill gets blocked.  Democratic and Republican party politicians are typically vile scumbags,   with the rare exception of a Ron Paul type,  but even among them,  there is a range of how bad they are.  So if the voting demographics in a particular city/town or county or district or state has been altered such that it swings the elections toward the biggest socialist gun grabber winning the election,  this is something that damages our lives in the here and now.  Politicians,  even the slimiest among them,  will often \"put their finger in the wind\" to figure out what they can get away with in the eyes of the voters.  So even if a a politician is a completely unprincipled scumbag,  if they live in a district where a super-majority of the public strongly supports gun rights,  they will be less likely to put forth a gun control bill,  or to vote in favor of a gun control bill.  However,  if they live in a district where lots of immigrants who do not come from a pro-gun rights culture live,  and these people have been granted citizenship,  which means they can vote,  that area will be more likely to elect politicians who put forth,  and vote in favor of,  gun control bills.  Another thing to consider here are ballot initiatives and referendums.  These can be put on the ballot in some states by people signing petitions,  but even if the states where they can't be put on the ballot via petitions,  they can be put on the ballot by any legislative body in any state.  Back in the 1970's,  before California was hit by wild shifts in demographics due to mass immigration,  the voters in that state actually shot down (pun intended) a gun control initiative.  Now fast-forward to today,  after California has experienced wild shifts in demographics due to mass immigration,  which has been fueled by the welfare state,  and there were gun control initiatives on the ballot in some recent elections that passed,  with a super-majority of the vote.  Now go to some states that have not been hit with large numbers of immigrants,  like say Wyoming or Montana or New Hampshire,  and see what happens if you put a gun control initiative on the ballot.  You'd probably have a really difficult time even getting a gun control measure on the ballot in a state like Wyoming or Montana or New Hampshire,  but if you did,  it would likely get shot down (pun intended again) by the voters.  This may end up changing in these states at some point if these states end up experiencing wild shifts in demographics by an influx of foreigners who do not come from a pro-gun rights culture,  and/or if the people in government who want to get rid of the 2nd amendment continue brainwashing of the public against gun rights in the government schools and in the media,  especially if they keep staging false flag shooting events (which I suspect explain all,  or most,  of the big,  hyped up shooting events over the last several years).  \n\nNow somebody here may say,  \"Well I hope that the immigrants do help the government collapse,  because then we can have anarchy,  dude.\"  My response to this is that if you want freedom,  you need to be surrounded by a majority of people who also want it.  Having large numbers of people from foreign lands who hold Marxist or theocratic ideologies,  or who are criminal thugs (like MS-13 gang bangers,  or radical Jihadis) entering the same land territory where you are located,  particularly if they are being lured into the country by government welfare programs (and note that the Refugee Resettlement Act literally uses taxpayer funds to bring these people into the country,  and that once here,  they sign them up for every welfare program possible,  and note that these people tend to have high birth rates,  which means they produce lots of offspring who get on welfare),  is not going to result in a population that wants a libertarian society.  If anything,  if the current government collapsed,  the result of such scenario could be a new government that is even worse than the old one.  \n\nThe fact that the state monopolizes a function does not necessarily invalidate the function.  I agree that the state is an illegitimate institution,  and should not exist,  but this does not change the reality that it does exist.  Ideally,  we'd live in voluntary society,  and any function that the state is monopolizing which does not initiate force or fraud would be provided for on a voluntary basis.  This is NOT our current reality.  The state currently monopolizes roads and firefighting.  So should one say,  \"I'm an anarchist dude,  so I'm not going to drive on the roads,  and if they fall into a state of dis-repair,  you are a statist if you ask the state to maintain them.\"  Is any sane person whose house catches on fire going to say,  \"I'm an anarchist,  man,  so I don't want the taxpayer funded fire department putting out the fire.  I'm just going to let my house burn down because I'm taking a principle stand.  Taxation is theft,  so if I call the taxpayer funded fire department to put out the fire at my house,  this would violate the Non-Aggression Principle,  so I'm taking a principled stand by letting my house burn down.\"  I have strong disagreements with the way that the state handles criminal justice,  but even so,  sometimes they do arrest and prosecute people who are guilty of things that would be regarded as being legitimate crimes in a libertarian society,  like murder,  rape,  assault,  theft,  arson,  etc...  \n\nMy point here is that I don't think that this caravan of Marxists and welfare seekers,  which are being funded by globalists who are using them in their quest to tear down countries so they can bring about a a New World Order totalitarian agenda,  have any \"right\" to the property or infrastructure in the current land mass known as the United States of America,  so given that the the government monopolizes the function of regulating borders and immigration,  and that no free market solution is on the table,  I do not think that advocating that the state shut these people out is a violation of libertarian principles.  Advocating that the state let these people in would cause far more damage and rights violations than the state shutting them out would do.  If the state does try to shut them out,  and any of them sneak in anyway,  the state should not reward any pf them,  or any offspring they may have,  with welfare handouts or other taxpayer funded services,  or with American citizenship (granting which would mean they could vote and gain political power).  \n\nLarken,  I have been aware of you and your work for a long time,  and I usually agree with you,  but I think that you are wrong here.  \n\nI am NOT a Donald Trump supporter,  by the way.",
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      "body": "I agree that Adam Kokesh (assuming he wins the Libertarian Party's nomination for President,  which I think he has a good chance of doing) is going to be shut out of debating the Republican and Democrat candidates for President.  No matter who the LP nominates for President,  I doubt that the Republican and Democrat candidates will debate them.  \n\nI disagree with you that there is no value in Adam Kokesh running for President.  I got involved in the Libertarian Party and movement back in the 1990's after being exposed to Harry Browne's campaign for President as a Libertarian Party candidate.  I have spoken to Libertarians and small \"l\" libertarians all over the country,  both in person,  and online,  and one common question that I typically ask fellow libertarians is how they became a libertarian.  The number one answer that I get is because of a political campaign,  and it is usually a political campaign for a high level office.  The number one answer (by far) I have gotten from libertarians whom I have asked this question is because of Ron Paul's campaigns for President.  The number two answer I have received from libertarians is because of Harry Browne's campaigns for President in 1996 and 2000.  \n\nThe fact of the matter is that most of the public does not read books on philosophy,  or economics.  Most people will pay at least somewhat attention to who is running for President.  If Adam Kokesh can reach a lot of people who'd never hear what he has to say otherwise by running for President,  and who don't read books on philosophy or economics,  and who don't visit alternative news websites,  then I say that this is a good thing.  \n\nI would agree that it is a complete waste of time for the Libertarian Party to run the kind of candidates that it has run on its last three presidential tickets,  like Gary Johnson,  Bill Weld,  Bob Barr,  etc...  These people were not even really in the ballpark of what I'd call a libertarian,  and running candidates like this is actually counterproductive.  However,  as long as a candidate runs on at least a fairly strong libertarian platform,  I see them running for office as a good thing.",
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      "body": "I agree with all of this:\n\n\"If Adam Kokesh's campaign can get more people questioning whether we really need a federal government, that's a good thing. If Adam Kokesh can get more people to read his book, Freedom, that's a good thing. If Adam Kokesh can get more people to watch his large library of videos on YouTube and DTube, that's a good thing.\"\n\nHowever, his campaign is NOT ABOUT THAT. His actual campaign, if you look at his own web site, is about trying to get elected in order to sign a bogus Executive Order that would accomplish nothing. For the zillionth time, if he was focused on actually spreading the message of non-aggression and self-ownership, instead of focusing on a political solution, I wouldn't have most of these objections.",
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      "body": "Don't count on Roger Ver.  Count on members of the LP who are sick and tired of their party being saddled with a reputation best described in this meme:\n![who invited the libertarian.JPG](https://steemitimages.com/DQmVWx53fve3VLLEUfxxCZvZvUwNvya4GLZtikamwUdykxf/who%20invited%20the%20libertarian.JPG)\n\nUntil this is overcome, expect the eternal continuation of LOOOOOOZING.  Roger Ver doesn't understand this.  Otherwise, with all his cryptoProfits, he would have solved it and would have these girls selling time-share condo space in his property by now.  duh.\n\nMichael Heise needs to understand this, too.  Mises Caucus is the means by which this loser trend can be halted, and then reversed.",
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      "body": "Running for political office is a good way to get a message out to people.  I have been involved in the libertarian movement since the 1990's as a result of being exposed to Harry Browne running for President as the Libertarian Party's candidate.  I have talked to libertarians all over this country,  both in person,  and online,  and I've asked many of them how they got involved in the libertarian movement,  and the #1 answer I get is because of a campaign,  and the two  candidates I have heard the most are #1)  Ron Paul (by far),  and #2)  Harry Browne.  \n\nA heck of a lot more people know who Ron Paul is than know who Larken Rose is.  I'm not saying that I don't think that Larken has done valuable work,  because I think that he has,  even though I have a couple of disagreements with him (more in the strategic realm than in the philosophical realm,  but the fact remains that the majority of the public has no idea who Larken Rose is.  \n\nI really see no problem with a person running for political office as long as they run on a fairly strong pro-liberty platform (as in they call for large,  across the board cuts in government).  I will say that I think that it is a waste of time for the Libertarian Party to run candidates who stray so far from libertarian philosophy that they really shouldn't even be called libertarians,  like the last three Libertarian Party presidential tickets.  Bob Barr,  Gary Johnson,  Bill Weld,  etc...,  were not really libertarian,  and running candidates like this is actually counterproductive.  \n\nLibertarians are not in a position where they can realistically contest for President,  so the point of running is not to win,  it is to get the message out,  and to build the movement.  \n\nIf Adam Kokesh's campaign can get more people questioning whether we really need a federal government,  that's a good thing.  If Adam Kokesh can get more people to read his book,  Freedom,  that's a good thing.  If Adam Kokesh can get more people to watch his large library of videos on YouTube and DTube,  that's a good thing.  \n\nAlso,  the more people that are exposed to Adam Kokeh;s campaign,  the more people who will look into libertarianism,  and the more people who will discover other figures in the movement,  like Larken Rose.",
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      "body": "1)  The contract has yet to be written.  I have ideas for it,  but that's it.  The basic premise of the contract is do not violate the Non-Aggression Principle.  \n\n2)  This is not really taking place anywhere at the moment.  Roger Ver is trying to get something like this started with his Free Society project.  Liberland is something like this,  but nobody lives there at this moment.  There's a private libertarian city that is in the early stages of being built in Norway called Liberstad.  Nobody lives there yet to my knowledge.  \n\n3)  Unfortunately,  the LP rarely does anything that is effective.  You brought up Porcfest,  which is a libertarian festival held at a campground in northern New Hampshire for a week each summer.  How about libertarians make a year round Porcfest?",
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      "body": "Hello AJ.  Just \"followed\" and resteemed.\n\n3 Questions:  Where is this contract you expect us to sign?  and Where is this taking place?  (in an American city, town or village somewhere... or are you intending to start from scratch like Kokesh and his \"homestead\" in BFE Arizona).   3.  Why hasn't the LP embraced the concept?  Seems like a natural fit into the Free State Project...  turning Porcfest into a 52 week per year endeavor, yes?",
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      "body": "Why We Do Not Have a Libertarian Society\n\nThe reason that we do not have a libertarian society right now is because there are too many people in this country who do not believe in liberty.\n\nI’ve never been to PorcFest (the annual summer libertarian festival in New Hampshire from the Free State Project), but I’ve heard accounts from people who have attended it, and they said that it is great, because it is like a mini-libertarian society. What makes it a libertarian society? The only people who go to PorcFest are libertarians!\n\nPeople can be free to disagree on a lot of issues, and this is fine. The problem is when people use force, most often in the form of government, to FORCE their views onto others. Now it is one thing to use force against a person who is violating the non-aggression principle themselves, such as a person who believes that they have a right to steal your car, but another thing to use force against a person who is not violating the non-aggression principle, as in they have not initiated any coercive acts of violence or destruction of property, nor have they stolen anything or defrauded anyone.\n\nPeople who are not libertarians do not really believe that individuals have the right to disagree, because they want to use government to force their views on others, even when the people whom they are forcing their views on are not doing anything to harm anyone else. So this is why it is dangerous to liberty to have people around who do not believe in liberty. People who do not really believe in liberty DO NOT REALLY BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT TO DISSENT, as in they do not believe in “live and let live.”\n\nI think that Lysander Spooner was right way back in 1867 when he wrote, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority, in that the Constitution is not a valid contract, because nobody living signed it. There is also the fact that the Constitution still established a coercive government.\n\nKenneth Royce, also known as “Boston T. Party,” wrote a book called Hologram of Liberty: The Constitution’s Shocking Alliance With Big Government, where his premise is that the Constitution was a coup, as in the real purpose of the constitutional convention where the Constitution was drafted, which was supposed to have been held to merely to amend the Articles of Confederation, was to create a strong national government, which is what has led to the mess that we are in today.\n\nRegardless of whether or not Kenneth Royce is correct with his assertion about the Constitution, the fact of the matter is that nobody today signed it, and most people today, even those who hold elected office and those who work in government, do not have a freaking clue what the Constitution says or means.\n\nEven with the flaws present in the Constitution, I think that we can all agree that if it were actually followed, we’d have a society that is a lot more free right now than it really is. Well how can you expect people to follow a document that most people have never read, or only read part of years ago, and therefore do not really understand? Do you think that if everyone had to sign the Constitution, or some kind of document that laid down the guidelines for living in this country, that a lot more people would take the time to read and understand what said document says, especially if there were some kind of penalty clause in it for violating it?\n\nOne of the flaws in the Constitution is that there is no penalty clause in it. I had an idea a while ago for a penalty clause in the Constitution that would say something like, “It shall be legal for anyone to engage in acts of violence, including violence resulting in death, against any elected or appointed government official, at any level, who violates any section of the Constitution.”\n\nDo you think that government officials would be more careful about abiding by the Constitution, if they knew it was a legitimate legal defense for somebody to beat them or murder them if they violate the Constitution?\n\nThe Constitution really does not go far enough in protecting individual liberty. This is why ultimately, coercive government should be abolished. There should be no taxes. Individuals should interact with each other on a voluntary basis.\n\nWhy is this not the way it is now? Why do we not have a voluntary society? Why do we not at least have a coercive government that is small and strictly adheres to what is written in the Constitution?\n\nThe reason we do not have either a voluntary society, or a small government which is limited by the Constitution, is because there are too many people among us that fall into one of three categories:\n\nThey are sociopathic control freaks.\nThey are people who prefer to be led around like sheep by sociopathic control freaks.\nThey are not sociopathic control freaks, and they do not necessarily prefer to be led around by sociopathic control freaks; however, they do not possess the will to do anything to stop the sociopathic control freaks, so they just “grin and bear it” (so to speak).\nThere are people who are freedom fighters, such as those of us who are in the Libertarian Party, as well as those who are working toward more freedom in other ways, but we are greatly outnumbered by the other three groups. The people who are in groups 1 and 2 are the enemy, especially group 1. The people in group 3 are either apathetic, or they sympathize with our way of thinking, but they do not realize it yet, or they realize it but think that the situation is hopeless, so they do not do anything, or are afraid to do anything.\n\nI really do not see any way that we can achieve liberty, unless we get away from groups 1 and 2. Libertarianism is just not compatible with the people who are in groups 1 and 2. The people in group 1 are especially dangerous. These are the people who would try to destroy a libertarian society if we were successful in creating one somewhere.\n\nThere are certain people in this country and world who will never accept libertarianism no matter what we do. The only things that we can do is get away from these people and defend ourselves, with violence if necessary, if they come near us.\n\nWe will never achieve a libertarian society, as long as we are outnumbered by Democrats, Republicans, socialists, communists, fascists, monarchists, or whatever other form of collective control systems you can imagine.\n\n\nThe Libertarian Zone\nThis is what led me to the concept of a Libertarian Zone, or Libertarian Zones. This would be a place, or places, where people who are not sociopathic control freaks, and people who do not like being lead around by sociopathic control freaks, can come together and live in voluntary cooperation (kind of like PorcFest, but year round, and hopefully on a bigger scale).\n\nThere’d have to be some way of spelling out the terms to live in or visit the Libertarian Zone, and there’d have to be some mechanism for enforcing those terms. This is what led me to the idea of the Libertarian Zone Contract. Entrance to the Libertarian Zone would not be based on race, ethnicity, or anything else beyond political, or more accurately, philosophical ideology. The ideology would be spelled out in the contract, which would be the same for everyone, and everyone would have to sign. The penalty for not signing would be ejection from the Libertarian Zone.\n\nPerhaps everyone in the Libertarian Zone would have to post some kind of bond, and then if the Libertarian Zone Contract is broken, there would be randomly selected jury, participation in which would also be voluntary (since the price for liberty is eternal vigilance, I think that most people who live in the Libertarian Zone would welcome the opportunity to serve on a randomly selected jury). If the randomly selected jury finds that a person did indeed violate the Libertarian Zone Contract, bounty hunters would be able to collect the bond which the individual posted to enter the Libertarian Zone (anyone in the Libertarian Zone could be free to collect the bounty as a bounty hunter), by forcibly ejecting the offender if necessary. If the offender is particularly nasty, and refuses to leave, bounty hunters will be free to use deadly force against them. Given that there will be no laws against self defense in the Libertarian Zone, a really heinous Libertarian Zone Contract violator, such as a rapist or a murderer, would not likely get very far, because many people in the Libertarian Zone would likely walk around armed.\n\nNobody would be forced to own or carry a gun, but I’d bet that many people would choose to do it. There would be no War on Drugs and no welfare state, both of which breed crime, and there’d be no laws preventing people from owning or carrying guns, or knives or swords or mace or tasers or other weapons for self defense. I don’t think that crime would be a big problem, even more so given that every individual would have to read and sign a contract that says that they agree to not engage in coercive acts of violence, theft, fraud, or destruction of property, and that if they violate this contract, they will be forced to leave the Libertarian Zone, that they will be forced to pay restitution prior to leaving, and that depending on their actions, violation of the contract could result in their death, or severe bodily injury, since many of the residents of the Libertarian Zone will choose to carry weapons and will be well trained in their use.\n\nI think that the Libertarian Zone would be a nice and prosperous place to live, and that once people were in it, and once they signed the Libertarian Zone Contract, which would be short, and in basic terms that most people could easily understand (if a person was retarded and not capable of understanding the Libertarian Zone Contract, they would have to be a ward of a Libertarian Zone Contract signer, as in a Libertarian Zone Contract signer would have to sign for them and would be responsible for caring for them), that most people would want to stay in the Libertarian Zone, and would be careful to not initiate force or fraud.\n\nThe Libertarian Zone is an idea I’ve been kicking around for a long time for how a Libertarian Society could be achieved, given the reality that there are some people in this world who are severe obstacles to having a libertarian society.",
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