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      "body": "Before I start talking about Joker I'm going to get a few things out of the way right off the bat\n\n-This movie is not for everyone\n-This movie is not perfect like some claim\n-I'm not going to compare this film to the MCU or other super hero movies because it's night and day from what we are used to\n\nA lot of reviewers these days are nothing more than political hacks trying desperately to see media through their political lens, whatever it may be and reinforce to their readers a worldview that likely doesn't exist in said media.  This is happening a lot with the Joker...a lot.  To prove this I am going to write this up as to how Arthur's struggles relate to the anarchist.  The real kicker is that this movie isn't political-not even a little.  Sure in the movie Thomas Wayne is running for mayor but they never tell you his politics or hear a speech from him.  It's just a way of showing that he is a man of influence to some degree.  But I'm getting way ahead of myself, let's start on level 1 with an empty inventory.  There is no way to talk about this movie without spoiling it-it can't be done...or I can't do it anyway.\n\nSYNOPSIS:  If you want to skip the synopsis just head over to the picture of the joker in front of a burning car\n\nWe open with Arthur Fleck a man just making it in the grimy slums of Gotham.  He is a clown for rent at kid's parties, old folks homes, hospitals etc.  He lives with his ailing mother while dreaming of becoming a stand up comedian.  He has a mental condition that makes him laugh uncontrollably completely at random.  This guy already has the odds against him.  He isn't overly optimistic or super confident in his abilities in fact I doubt that he fully understands exactly what his life is.  He gets a gig bouncing a sign in front of a store and some run of the mill punks give him an ass kicking for fun.  Later on a co worker gives Arthur a gun and tells him to protect himself.  Arthur is aware of his condition and mental fragility when he says \"I dont think I'm supposed to have a gun.\" but Arthur ends up needing that piece a few nights later where some drunken belligerent well dressed men harass him on the subway.  The harassment turns into a beat down when Arthur tries to get away.  He then blows them all away in a very satisfying moment of righteous self defense.  However he only gets two out of three of the assailants initially and literally hunts down the third and final wounded member of the drunken pack.  He pumps his back full of bullets and retreats to a public restroom to take in what has just happened.  The press runs with a story about how a man in a clown mask murdered three well to do men minding their own business.  The three men Arthur kills happen to work for Wayne Enterprises so the police and media have a genuine interest in finding the killer.  The tension is growing now-the noose is tightening it's just a matter of time before Arthur has an unpleasant run in with Gotham PD...While the police are piecing  this together Arthur tries his hand at doing some stand up but bombs out due to his sporadic laughing.  He can't get through his set and the only joke he can tell absolutely sucks.  Later on he opens a letter from his mother addressed to Thomas Wayne.  The letter claims that Wayne is Arthur's father and that financial support would be appreciated-needed even.  Arthur sneaks into an opera house and makes contact with Thomas.  Wayne lays it all bare that Penny (arthur's mother) was a delusional crackpot who spent time in Arkham Asylum.  He never had an affair with her and that Arthur is adopted.  Essentially Thom has shattered Arthur's whole world and tenuous grasp on reality.  All Arthur has is his mother and his memories of being with her and the stories she told him about his childhood.  He can't let it go and hunts down his only lead to the mystery of his past.  He goes to Arkham Asylum and snatches the records of his mother's stay from an orderly.  In this moment Arthur's world more or less ends.  He learns that what Wayne said is true.  He is adopted his mother was institutionalized and not only that she played a part in his physical and emotional abuse as a child.  He then visits the hospital where his mother is now staying and smothers her with a pillow.  Meanwhile, a video recording of when he bombed on stage is aired on a late night show called Murray.  This show is similar to Leno or Letterman with a host and a band with guests.  The clip garners audience interest and the booking agent contacts Fleck asking if he would like to come on the show.  He agrees and shortly after a couple co workers visit his apartment.  He murders one of them by stabbing him with sewing sheers and lets the other go saying that he was the only guy who was nice to him at work.  Arthur is literally being chased by Gotham detectives now through the streets while on his way to the Murray show.  Around him are people wearing clown masks on their way to a public demonstration at city hall.  The mob give the detectives an ass kicking while Arthur escapes to make his appearance on the Murray show, a show that he has fantasized about being on.  When he sits across from the host he ends up admitting that he killed the three Wayne Enterprises employees much to the audience's  disapproval.  Things get heated and after a short monologue Arthur shoots Murray in the head on live television.  After being arrested we see Gotham has descended into full on bedlam.  The clown gang is running wild, doing whatever they feel like.  Arthur admires what is going on as he's being driven to PD headquarters.  Just then the cruiser is rammed by an ambulance that was stolen by the clown gang.  They lift Arthur out of the squad car and encourage him to get back up on his feet.  He does so to thunderous cheering.  Later on we cut to a scene where he is in Arkham Asylum talking with a nurse or psychiatrist.  He leaves the room leaving bloody footprints behind and that that's our movie.\n\n![av3f286g_joker-movie-review-instagram_625x300_01_October_19.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmVoEH2uGL44zHYhEHUVVi3rVVXtSyQhgtChsEYPV54jYy/av3f286g_joker-movie-review-instagram_625x300_01_October_19.jpg)\n\nFuck, that took way longer than I expected but this movie is so full of nuance that you can't trim the fat.  Every scene is meaningful, every line of dialogue serves a purpose.  In a world of throw away cinema and \"CGI go boom!\" I greatly appreciate this aspect of the film.  But let's get into the meat is this movie political?  Is it pro antifa anti-antifa?  Pro capitalism?  Pro Socialism?  etc.  I'll admit that when I saw the clown mobs holding signs saying \"RESIST\" and other current culture slogans I got nervous.  But it never really manifests beyond that and in a film like this-this is intentional. \n Arthur Fleck when on the Murray show says that he is not political that the killings were not political in nature or motivated by class warfare like the press said.  In essence Arthur is red pilling the plebs...stop viewing things through politics start listening to people-embrace the nuance of what they have experienced.  Even the clown gang doesn't get it.  They assume the killings were motivated by jealousy, hate, rage etc because that's what they feel.  And boy howdy isn't that what we are seeing?  Groups latch on to things they don't fully understand and use that bullshit they made up as an excuse for whatever means they employ to achieve their goals.  \n\n![joker-2019-movie-4k-g0.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmWCYDbxnmAPq539s7RamwEDALGXQTb281m2Wz8WxQmEeo/joker-2019-movie-4k-g0.jpg)\n\nArthur never not once ever mentions money.  Even when he gets fired from his job as a party clown.  He doesnt ask Wayne for any when he meets him he doesnt exhibit jealousy over Wayne Manor when he walks by-nothing.  So this isn't an \"eat the rich\" kind of movie either.  So what do we have here?  Well...The underlying desire Arthur has is for companionship and a connection to a world that is unfeeling and unrelenting.  He can't make sense of the humans around him, he is confused and scared at first.  It's only after he shoots some attackers in self defense that he begins to feel more confident and capable in this world.  He doesn't feel so helpless.  His desire for a meaningful connection in this world is so strong that it manifests itself in a romantic relationship that he entirely imagines in his head.  He imagines that he has a girlfriend who lives a few doors down.  She is a real person but the relationship does not exist.  He even imagines being a guest on the Murray show where the host showers him with praise and adoration.  Arthur-like most of us wants to feel grounded in this world by way of friendship and love.  I think he understands that this world is dire and scary and he thinks that by having friends it might be an easier life.  I can't say he's wrong really if this is the case.  And I can't say that I don't understand.  On a personal level I think most of us want to feel like someone always has our back-that there is someone there for when shit hits the fan and I don't mean the big igloo.  As I mentioned even his clown gang doesn't fully understand him-they just use him like everyone else in his life does.  It's really kind of tragic.\n\n\nThose who walk the anarchist's path may well know this feeling of loneliness and disconnect to this world.  To have your loved ones distance themselves or reject yo, laugh at you even.  To not be able to connect with strangers because most wouldn't understand your worldview anyway.  Isolated and lonely.\n\nThis movie is a bit of a departure from most modern movies as the camera never leaves the protagonist.  I don't remember a scene where Arthur isn't present.  This is also intentional, we are meant to go on this ride with him.  There is no pause, no palate cleanser nothing, no pop culture quip to make you chuckle, no \"this is gonna be the catch phrase\", nothing that takes away from the slow erosion of his person.  Again I understand this isn't symbolic of it but when you are keen to the world and the evils in it...and those evils are everywhere at all times there isn't a break from it-you live in this world.  The difference between Arthur and most of us is that we can escape from it for a short time whether it be entertainment or a hobby or something-maybe you paint your minis or something-whatever.  Speaking to it no amount of entertainment or distraction was going to save Arthur's sanity (whatever was left of it).  So too do some of us become consumed by the terrifying truth of this world.  We are defeated by it...because it IS maddening to live in a world controlled by maniacs, watching people you care about be duped over and over, knowing that you are more or less powerless to stop it.  It's gut wrenching to be aware of what's happening to you but have to cope.\n\n![8e232164ca205897973001008649adae_md.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmdDhitudVL6q18M87FC2Fb9uEinbCkbS1M7tWWEe46725/8e232164ca205897973001008649adae_md.jpg)\n\nArthur cannot cope.  He doesn't have the ability.  He wants a connection to the world that constantly rejects him and pulls the rug out from under his feet.  But when does Arthur \"awaken\" to this?  we have hints of it where he asks his social worker \"is it getting crazier out there or is it just me?\"  he is becoming keen to the world around him on a more lucid level.  Did we not feel this same thing when we encountered a truth that led us away from the worship of government?  That what we just learned couldn't be the truth...we must know better.  Then Arthur gets hit again with the revelation that his past is a lie and there isn't any turning back-the world he knew is gone.  Do I really need to plug something in here?  There are numerous revelations that change our lives with no turning back.\n\nThat feeling of knowing the world is fake yet having to live in it feels so weird at first-you again lose yourself in it.  You come out a different person-there is no way you can't.  In Arthur's case he came out a killer.  Shooting people in self defense and perhaps getting caught up in the moment where you track down the other assailant is not the same thing as straight up cold blooded murder.  He exacts revenge upon the only person left that damaged him so deeply-his mother.  In my case I turned out a memer so...\n\n![Joker-at-Live-with-Murray-Franklin-1280x720.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmVJVXPvKtVjeW4T7EZmrHppzGdPVr7GthYQAV8UqrLHeb/Joker-at-Live-with-Murray-Franklin-1280x720.jpg)\n\nMurray who is part of the establishment media brings Arthur on for scorn and to be chastised.  Tells him that he cannot judge right and wrong for himself, that certain things are out of bounds for joking.  This is probably the only part where yeah the messaging might well be intended for the anarchist.  A couple years ago Facebook purged anarchist pages and the innumerable flaggings and bannings we've seen on any social media platform and Youtube literally deleting content they disapprove of-this scene is very loaded.  Those privy to the information wars can take a lot out of this scene.  There is a propaganda war going on-there is no doubt even some normies agree.  So we have Murray-the establishment media wagging his finger in the face of a joe blow nobody who defended his own life, and just wanted someone to give a shit-or maybe even make them laugh even though his own life was miserable.  How high and mighty to talked down to a man who has already been through it because you disapprove of what he says...Arthur again unleashes unhinged rage on Murray-an icon he once aspired to be like. \n\nAs he is being driven off to jail Fleck sees the clown gang...something he never intended to create running wild and destroying the city.  You ever sit there and watch Antifa do some dumb shit in the streets and people think you're one of them?  Isn't that annoying?  I sympathized here for sure.     \n\n![Webp.net-resizeimage.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmdBbjD54FW3FA87XaQWb5KJwqpN3n4WbhdDfyt3vJUKRM/Webp.net-resizeimage.jpg)\n\nWhat an amazing film-even though it violates canon.   Arthur is too old/Bruce is too young and whoever takes up the mantle of the joker is the one to kill his parents.  They had a perfect set up for it.  When Arthur was begging Wayne to give a shit and he instead gets punched it would have been an amazing time to enact the infamous broken pearl necklace scene when the Wayne family leaves.  It would have added so much more weight to the meaning of the encounter-not just a random mugging.  Then Fleck goes on to Murray Franklin and admits to shooting Thomas Wayne too...this would be more believable as to why the clowns are now rampaging in the streets.  It was a perfect opportunity and it was a bit of a bummer that they didn't do it.  This doesn't change that Bruce and Fleck have far too wide of an age gap though.  So this movie cannot be linked to any other batman film.  It must stand on its own or be the genesis for a DC universe.  I don't think this is wise though.  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It's a strange thing to me to see a supposed subculture crave mainstream acceptance.\n\nBut that's just it isn't it?  Geek culture is no longer a weird underground subculture.  Itwas \"appropriated\" from the quiet, sarcastic, and witty by the empty headed drooling general masses.  The people who don't question anything and don't have the foresight to see things coming down the road.  They just want non offensive material and everyone who doesn't to shut up and go away.  They are bullies.  Just like the bullies who shoved kids into lockers these bullies are as I said, dumb, unoriginal, and fearful.  They fear content that may contain a racist who says \"nigger\" in context (Oh it has happened plenty in the old school...send you to your fainting couches if you read it) they fear if there aren't gay characters proudly proclaiming that they are gay that gays won't have role models, they fear so much and like any bully they excuse their actions.  The excuse given is \"tolerance, love, and inclusion\".  On the surface it seems hard to argue against but we're going passed the surface here.  I'm going to be blunt throughout but especially right here.  These comics and other media that challenge your thinking and are offensive weren't made for you.  They were made for people who can sort out what the writer is saying.  You came into something out of your league.\n\nAny superhero/role model you can think of has already long existed.  While you guys who hadn't adopted this stuff yet were doing whatever we were reading about a diverse cast of heroes doing all kinds of shit.  Yes, we had black, gay, female, characters you name it way before you came in and started stamping your feet.  The thing is-is that these superficial (and essentially meaningless) traits didn't matter.  It was very rare to see their skin color or preference/dislike for dick take center stage.  The prevailing and desired stories from these people is that the black /gay/female character MUST face someone who hates them for being those things.  The problem is again we've already done this.  It's not a compelling story in a world of aliens, mutants, monsters, and anything else an imagination can cook up.  Most old school readers want the world of imagination...isn't that what fiction is supposed to be?\n\nYou brought your insecurities with you while arrogantly proclaiming that anyone who desires stories about aliens and vampires to be fragile.  No.  The fragile ones are the people who cannot see bravery, self sacrifice, noble suffering and other heroic traits in people regardless of how they look.  All you do is insult and spit on the people who supported the culture you usurped.  You should feel ashamed of yourselves but we're way passed that.  You folks are not like us.  And we are not like you.  There's nothing wrong with that but now we have to share this space and we were always happy to do that with new comers.  I used to love recommending old and classic gems to new people in the shop.  But now, now you ingrates act like we were never here.  That we are in the way of shit you feel entitled to.  I actually could deal with this but it's worse.  You're also a lot dumber than us.\n\nComics and games used to challenge thought.  You'd experience something and reflect on what it meant to you personally and on a societal level.  They used to get you to think not spoon feed you cotton candy about how \"muh white man bad\" or \"GRRRRRL POWER!\" and this is what I mean...those messages can be written into comics and movies if one is clever and talented but now because you guys dont understand nuance (and you don't.  this whole \"war\" is because you dont understand nuance in comics) it has to be ham fisted in.  You're also too dumb to realize where this thing is going.\n\nDisney right now is acquiring a huge share of imaginative properties out there.  With IP laws it will be very hard to imagine a new character that is not in some way a Disney character.   Do you think they won't sue you into poverty if you create a character similar to one of theirs?  They are already already suing fans for music that sounds too close to \"their own\".  (they bought the imperial march they didn't create it)  They are already censoring negative opinions on their next movie.  And I have seen hide nor hare of any of these aforementioned geek outlets talking about this.  It is literally \"YAY rotten tomatoes stopped trolls from dissing Captain Marvel\" to 'whoop whoop' in the comments section.  How fucking embarrassing.  Too dumb to realize corporate power is monopolizing your very own imagination and silencing people who don't like their products.  I remember when \"we\" were smart and didn't want mega corporations in charge of what counts as original thought.  Again shame would be appropriate but we're way passed that now aren't we?  Because you stand for love tolerance and inclusion right?  Except the people like me who are pointing out the bad things you are doing to a culture.  We can go fuck our own misogynistic asses can't we?\n\nTell me would you in the name of love inclusion and tolerance tell the gay community what they should and shouldnt be reading what they should like, Tell them their opinion doesnt matter because they're gay and call them names if they told you to fuck off?  No?  That would be weird, controlling, and kind of a hateful thing to do right?  No one would buy the love inclusion and tolerance nonsense you tout would they?   Well, you've done it to geek culture and continue to do so-so excuse me while I don't buy your love inclusion and tolerance bullshit.\n\nI don't think this can go back how it was.  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      "body": "So I think it's time I address something lighter.  Time for me to address some more geeky shit instead.  Specifically I am going to talk about Star Wars and how not liking VII and VIII don't make you a bad person and the reasons you are given as to why you are bad are complete bullshit.\n\nI am a nasty misogynist, man baby who is afraid of women because I didn't like VIII...or so I am told.  So I asked the person who accused me of this-I asked her what I was because I also did not like the Independence Day reboot.  Am I a misogynist because I thought THAT movie sucked?  She looked at me unable to think of what to say-but luckily the guy working behind the counter came to her aid and banned me from the comic book shop we were in.  Apparently you can call someone names but if you ask them a couple questions you get banned.  But I digress.  No, this is a new thing we are seeing from people defending movies they really like.  And it's fine if you like it but hand waving all criticism and well reality just because you want to fling insults makes you look childish, condescending, and rude...the things you accuse others of being.\n\n![lZt6cbS.gif](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmRWzxM8iksM6ZYNLfCYFiZpeKuXvNwKFwNepjiBdCq6a2/lZt6cbS.gif)\n\n\nSolo a Star Wars movie actually LOST money for Disney and the lead was a straight white male so now what?  What can you say about that?  The straight white males hate to see a strong white male in their movie?  This make sense to you?  Solo's failure to capture a profit is a clear indication that a lot of people are not cool with the new Rian Johnson Star Wars direction (even though he didn't direct or write Solo).  And it isn't just the \"straight white male\" garbage we see on twitter that don't like this...you see people who make this accusation forget that Star Wars is a WORLDWIDE fandom.  VIII bombed in China...those fuckin white males amirite?\n\n![6c0b840a2e3817a26d5510.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmbrP26Qmpm2hvgHjHsQQVHn3af6bUDxESRhokywhBiabp/6c0b840a2e3817a26d5510.jpg)\n\nBecause this story has been around for 40 years you have fans sometimes in their 80's now.  People who are voicing their opinion on this story who have been in it since the beginning are being told they aren't real fans because they have criticisms.  How utterly foolish and haughty to even think this.  The sheer arrogance...you guys had a word for this phenomenon...Whenever you see some \"bros\" dissing a woman online calling her a fake fan or something....you had a term for this what was it? oh yes Gatekeeping...right gatekeeping.  Yes, certainly telling the old guard that they can fuck off because they aren't real fans any way is in no way, shape or form gate keeping.  Right.  Maybe the old guard have seen Star Wars in its best years and want to try and recapture that?  Is it just easier to call them names and tell them to STFU?  I guess it is.\n\n![giphy.gif](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmRckcGozAKUM2TtZ4rA4dypYXbpouvdCJUci4xNuofAaK/giphy.gif)\n\nI think VIII sucked but I am wrong because it made a lot of money?  Well yeah, that's true-it did.  Here's the thing though-did Disney issue refunds to anyone who didn't like it?  No.  So my money is in that pile of cash that VIII pulled in.  Now ask yourself this-how MUCH of that pile is made up of people who didn't like it, hated it, or would have rather waited to hit up redbox if they knew what a disaster it was going to be or something?  We can't really know for sure.  And what is \"a lot\" when in reference to a film that costs so much to make, market, and produce?  How much was invested and what was the return?  What is the average return an investor looks for?  you can find all this out if you have an internet connection-you do-so do it.\n\nOn the subject of money I am being told that if I don't like the new stuff then don't watch it.  Fair enough I guess but consider this.  Disney like any corporation wants to make money-lots of it.  They bought Star Wars thinking they could get a golden goose that would lay a new egg every year or two.  That's not art, that's not usually how meaningful stuff is made.  Profit as a motive is fine but when it's your ONLY motive in the artworld your creations will likely suck.  And that's what we have now.  I think it's no surprise to anyone reading this that I won't be rushing out there to get a ticket to IX but to those who will be just think about this for a moment.  What I once viewed as art is now nothing more than a bland, \"cheap\", shameless corporate media grab for cash.  I'm actually saddened by all this but I'll live.\n\n![053542d1df8504a6903f304fd64402ad8b7bb4-v5-wm.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmbUgZ719aYrHYEaEMCn7UHioDoyprkFbaqfgo5SBQmGNy/053542d1df8504a6903f304fd64402ad8b7bb4-v5-wm.jpg)\n\nI'm also told that I didn't get the movie \"I\" wanted.  Well let me tell you something right off the bat-it's hard to be let down and disappointed when your expectations are so low they're sitting next to dinosaur bones but yeah-that's a fair statement.  I went into VIII with no fan theories, no \"ooo what ifs\" or any of that crap.  When I was a kid I didn't sit there thinking about all the awesome things that HAD to be VI in order to have a good time.  I went into this thing as I went into all other movies of the same caliber, like the Marvel movies...zero expectations.  If I went in thinking \"ok whatever\" I can only imagine the people who went in hoping for something good.  They must really be pissed.\n\n![10f26e28d9cf1cd08e21cd4d787cefc440d63351_hq.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmaF4Du567wWNLMj4pRYnam6ynX6Cu74kBat3bBa3ybVsU/10f26e28d9cf1cd08e21cd4d787cefc440d63351_hq.jpg)\n\n\"Well what do you want, no film is perfect\"  Yeah, true and I don't expect that.  Who does?  VIII failed to stir emotions in me-it failed to capture me or my attention.  Other films that have serious problems do not have this....eh-problem with me.  It's purposely being obtuse for the sake of defending something you like-of course no film is perfect-stop acting like that's what we wanted.\n\n![Fj+right+now+people+defending+logan+paul+for+some+reasonpeople_7d26cc_6483048.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmZxruXytFg4UPg6rEDgQC2WCuFBmvmSKezJG1iJ9J1HKj/Fj+right+now+people+defending+logan+paul+for+some+reasonpeople_7d26cc_6483048.jpg)\n\nIf you like the new Star Wars stuff then fine-I have nothing nasty to say to or about you and I find it odd that at the mere utterance of it being a crap film I am met with such vigorous defense.  You say it's just a movie and to let it go-how about you live by that too?  Nevermind the assholes...if you've ever been to a sports game you've likely heard thousands of people heckle players-in unison no less.  Taunting and teasing and being an asshole sadly is in a lot of people.  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      "body": "I want to be clear and up front and say that this is just my opinion and guess as to what is going on.  I don't have facts or anything to prove what I am saying because it's mostly prediction anyway.  \n\n![sddefault.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmaqqSXt4Xg5okpG7Rkzj1P1yb5mRGLH7v5xhXPkLY5FLc/sddefault.jpg)\n\n\nOh boy, the Alex Jones thing is going great-if you're government.  Let me just get right into the meat.  Government hates freedom and this first amendment thing?  it's going to go away at some point.  We already see a little whittling away with the pronoun posse getting legislation passed in some places.  That's a subject all on its own but let's focus here.  Alex Jones...I mean I don't even know where to start...Alex Jones is as you know essentially banned from any mainstream internet outlets.  The irony is that all these companies had to agree to do this to him and in essence it's a conspiracy against him...actually that's not ironic at all-that's convenient.  The guy screaming that the globalists are coming is getting sacked by global companies?  Does anyone really buy this?  Does anyone really think this is organic?  Or are you like me and think this is too contrived to merely be coincidence?  Jones was chosen to go down (perhaps in on it all along) to get people all riled up, scared, etc and therefor missing the magician palming the ball. \n\nHere's the \"ball\".  The ball is as I mentioned free speech is going to go away.  But...\"you\" are going to do it.  Jones went down for that lovely and ever nebulous term \"hate speech\"...the fucking thing can mean literally anything.  So what people will do now is try and stay in bounds.  They will police what they say all on their own.  With a term so vague as hate speech being the guidelines to stay inside the people will keep what they say tight to their chest.  Wild opinions and harsh truths?  Gone.  \n\nNow the (needless) debate rages and I joined it briefly about whether these companies SHOULD owe AJ anything.  Are they private companies etc...well...technically yes and technically no.  Facebook, Amazon, indeed almost all major internet players have either made deals with or have roots in the CIA or some other government alphabet garbage.  Yeah, you can look that up-it's kind of a game changer for the sake of this discussion and topic.  The media runs bogus stories about how these websites start off in a broom closet with the webmaster scratching their head never thinking it would be a worldwide phenomenon.  The reality is a lot of this stuff has government fingerprints.  The average person is unaware of this.  So now the debate becomes is this government censorship?\n\nTo this I say yes and no...Facebook is not officially recognized by anyone as part of the government and we all remember that puppet show they gave us a few months back about what content they allow and is there any political bias.  That puppet show was the pre cursor to Jones going down (wow what a coincidence!...again!)...everyone is jumping up yelling AH HA!  You DO have a bias instead of realizing what I mentioned above....free speech is going away...you will do it to yourself.  But at the same time I say yes because the government is influencing people with what I mentioned...it's called the chilling effect.\n\nThe chilling effect is when you are afraid to do or say something completely legal out of possible retribution.  Isn't it odd that people a while back saying it was ok to \"punch nazis\" never got booted off social media?  It makes perfect sense when you see where this is going...anyone already banging the drum for less freedom will not be de platformed.  Ever.   Now Jones...I think is nothing but an act.  There is no way in hell you can be \"woke\" and talk about the left right paradigm as if it's real.  No way.  You're either incredibly stupid or in on this grand scheme.  Frankly I can't be bothered to figure out which one.  The point is this...people SAW and THINK he is about freedom and to see him go down like this to them scares them...and it helps legitimize his words.  It helps legitimize the left right paradigm among other things too.\n\nThere is so much at play here I won't hit it all in this post.  I'm trying to get people to see the bigger picture.  I \"don't care\" that AJ might have to go back to selling water filters.  I care that people don't seem to notice the closing net.  So what's the fix?  How do we get out of this?  Well, sadly I don't think people can grasp what's really going on here.  They're mostly arguing whether or not \"private\" companies should be allowed to discriminate against one guy.  No one is saying what I am saying and to me this seems obvious...I could be wrong and that would be fucking awesome if I am but...I don't think so.  A lot has been leading up to this.  A lot.  \n\nPeople are celebrating that a guy won't be able to post stuff to prominent websites.  Others are thinking there will be a lock down on anyone who shares his views.  In reality though like I mentioned people will zip their own lips.  Out of fear of being sued, losing the following by getting sacked etc etc.  And as I mentioned it's illegal to use the wrong words when referring to people in some cases.  What happens when people get too used to no one stepping up to challenge the dominating narrative or lies in the news?  What happens when everyone accepts the pre approved opinion and then someone steps up to say that it's bullshit and that they can prove it?  Will this person be taken seriously?  Nah.  It's already hard enough to get people to realize that they are lied to even when the liars themselves admit to lying if it's already become accepted as true.  \n\nI don't think Jones was \"real\" but it doesn't matter really.  Like it or not he was seen as the face of the counter narrative and again isn't it convenient that he goes down but lots of other \"better\" free thinkers are still up and running on youtube and other places.  It wouldn't be news if they were sacked...no one knows them.  It's news if the face gets sacked...and what do we know about the news?  It's fake.  And not the Donald trump fake news but the literal kind.  Jones goes down and what follows will be self policing and the chilling effect will only grow and grow...I said a long time ago that people are so dumb that they will willingly and even unknowingly give up whatever privileges they have left...They are going to WANT the coming nanny state.  Well...it's about to take a step out of the shadows and most people won't even notice...they'll be arguing about who should be allowed on what website.  The magician palms the ball while everyone looks at his beautiful assistant...",
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      "body": "As of late I have been hit by loads of Big L Libertarians who are confused or otherwise upset as to why I will not be joining their party, voting, or partaking in any political events.  I am writing this as a detailed explanation as to why I have no interest in any of that.\n\nFirst, let's get it out of the way my biggest issue with Big Ls.  Big Ls are dishonest.  Libertarians are pretty smart for the most part-I never turn down a civil discussion with one but they do the same thing anyone else who believes in government does when you tell them that their use of government to control others is immoral and cruel.  They deny it.  They dance around it.  They ignore it.   Some admit it and cite some greater good and I'll get into that later.\n\nBig Ls (BL) are like I said, smart for the most part and that's why I go extra hard on them in this area.  They KNOW they are being dishonest.  They KNOW government is violent subjugation of innocent people and they bust out some \"nut uhs\" when it suits their belief structure.  This is probably the biggest turn off to joining any cause you may have.  If you are willing to ignore, excuse, or pretend you don't know that government is violence directed at certain groups then I do not consider you trust worthy enough to even show me where the bathroom is at Chuck E Cheese, nevermind join you in some political endeavor.\n\nGovernment is human ownership.  Libertarians again don't usually disagree but then think something to the effect \"Well what if we had nice owners?  owners I LIKE?\"  No, again it's intellectually dishonest and to me personally comes off kinda pathetic.  \n\nThe most common thing I hear is \"Anarchy isn't practical and will never happen why not shrink the government instead?\"  Well boy howdy have we come to the crux of the matter...I freely admit that humans are for the most part not ready to live in anarchy and that the state isn't going anywhere any time soon.  But again BL are bullshitting themselves if they think that a political process can ever make the state go away or reduce it to a point where daily life becomes more free.  I chalk this up to intellectual dishonesty, fear, or naivety.  Already covered the intellectual dishonesty-just plug it in here, fear; I say fear because I think again most of these people are smart and they realize \"oh shit...the government IS way too powerful, what can we do?\".  And instead of realizing it's too late and giving the finger to any would be rulers they convince themselves that there MUST be some \"legitimate\" way out of this. \" Heh hey look at me...I'm voting, this will make me more free for sure! heh heh *nervous glance....\"  Or naivety.  Most people are really good souls and genuinely good people.  Most BL are...I don't think I've met one and thought he would make a shit neighbor....well maybe a few-but overall ok as neighbors.  This makes it difficult for them to imagine the mindset of a power happy sociopath who doesn't care (maybe even likes?) about causing harm and mayhem.  You have to understand that most of these people in suits smiling on tv asking for a vote or telling you about a new bill they're voting on are at best distant authoritarians who are somewhat indifferent to your plight and at worst, complete maniacs.  Now...understanding this-what makes you think the system would ever allow good people in?  Look at all the evil, chaos, woe and misery brought on by the state.  Don't you think if good people could be elected to fix it that it would have happened by now?  And don't give me any Ron Paul nonsense-he himself admitted he couldn't change anything.\n\nWhich brings me to my next point.  WHY did Ron Paul say this?  Why did he admit that he didn't really change anything? \n Do you think he was saying  \"Hey guys I went in there and stuck true to some decent principles and couldn't change much so you know.....keep voting and stay out there!  Yeah, just keep doing the same thing you've been doing-it'll turn out!\" or do you think it was more of a message of \"I don't think this can be fixed from the inside.\"  Which one?  Which one seems more likely?  If you have the capacity to be honest with yourself, now is the time.\n\nThe next thing I am told is that I have to surrender my principles for the sake of practicality.  Well.....if I throw them away then they aren't principles are they?  If you want me to throw away my desire to live a life where I don't condone, excuse, or cause harm to anyone else in the name of \"liberty\" then forget it, you have no idea what the word even means.  I can't just go around saying I believe in not harming anyone and then go vote for government to do something...government can hardly do anything without hurting anyone.  Even the one you are imagining right now.  Pick one, you abide the non aggression principle all the way or you wear the label of aggressor.  If you wear such a label then don't talk to me about freedom or liberty.   \n\nIt can't be so black and white!  Yeah, it can.  Either there is aggression or non aggression.  Something isn't KINDA violent or KINDA peaceful-these two states of being are absolute.  Again, you are being intellectually dishonest and bullshitting yourselves.  \n\nSome BL come out and say that what they condone violence especially on the border issue.  Some do.  And they always cite a \"greater good\".  But the greater good argument is used by any scared statist for anything that well....scares them.  \"If we dont protect the border then it'll be a catastrophic welfare state etc etc\" Yeah and you may be right but I thought you guys were about shrinking government not expanding it?  Shouldn't the solution be to use your BL super powers of voting or whatever and end the welfare state-not you know beg the government to grow itself in the way of border patrol?  You sell out your OWN principles at the drop of a hat and are confused or angry that I won't join you?  I think BL are smart-I just think most are unprincipled.  And if you're hot under the collar because I mocked your inability to end the welfare state by voting then good...think about WHY that pisses you off and go from there.  You can't whip out the greater good argument and consider yourselves different from any republican or democrat.\n\nThere are though the BL who are insufferable and elitist.  They have their nice suit on in their profile picture complete with the overlay of the state of liberty filter or something and they look down their noses at me and ask \"What are YOU doing for liberty?\"  First it's laughable to think less of me because I'm NOT begging the masters to whip me more softly\nand secondly I am doing more than you ever could.  The message of self ownership is not mainstream.  It CAN'T go mainstream on tv or on main internet outlets.  Your message does go mainstream-it gets mocked and rejected by most but it's possible to see LP on tv talking about stuff.  I am telling people the obvious-that they own their life, body, decisions etc and that no man or group of men have any rights or claims to any of that for any reason.  This is true no matter how bizarre it may sound.  I am telling people the truth while you are merely trying to play a game that is designed in a such a way that freedom cannot be won.  You're essentially being played for a chump while being smug and arrogant about all the shit you will never change.  I am changing people's minds.  That is something widely frowned upon by the power structure.  I am essentially off the game grounds playing outside of the rules by telling others what the masters do not want them to hear and you act as if such a thing is ineffective...it only shows how hopelessly enslaved to the system YOU still are and the arrogance I think is just a tough front-I don't buy it.  Again I think you're smart enough to know better but still cling to the political system out of fear. \n\nOne of the things this small subset does is ask me incessantly why I am not joining them.  When I ask why they aren't joining me instead it's usually haughty laughter about what is \"realistic\".  As I said I labor under no illusions.  But if you think the LP can ever win a presidency or major control in any branches then take that word \"realistic\" and put it in a box and lock it away.  BOTH ideas seem unrealistic currently but only one of them will create victims of government.  Yours.  I know you don't like hearing how the senate will not controlled by Ron Pauls but that is also reality-stop kidding yourselves. \n\nOn a personal level I am somewhat perturbed by BL because I think they have a lot of potential.  They can organize well, speak well etc.  Most are fairly likable.  But at the end of the day it's just another political party that will be dishonest, unprincipled, and fearful.  It's another group who wants to hold the whip.  They SAY that they will be kind and let me live in peace but almost all BL want a government military.  Once you give a monopoly of weaponry and force to a group they become superior to others.  \"All men are created equal\" only you don't believe that.  If all men are equal then no one can ever have the right to boss another around.  You think I should be obedient to YOUR form of government and if I am not then I am a malcontent who's rights don't matter.  Again-principles right out the window.  \n\nYou can laugh at me, hate me, say I am the reason why the Libertarian Party isn't running all three branches of government or whatever-that's fine.  I don't care about the personal attacks I care way more about BL legitimizing the use of force against others while having the gall to call it freedom and liberty.  Do you know how damaging that is to people?  People for the most part are already mentally helplessly enslaved to the idea of being owned.  Then you come along tell them that the owners can be kind and you call it liberty?  Get the fuck out of here. \n \nAt the end of the day I don't hate the LP or BL...I just want you guys to stop lying.  Stop lying to yourselves, stop lying to other people, stop lying about what you believe...This is why I see you like republicans and democrats-they lie to themselves and others all day.  In this you are the same.",
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      "body": "no, what I mean is anything that you would like to do that would increase your personal liberty you need permission first.  I can't think of anything I dont need permission for that increases my liberty.",
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      "body": "well sure, freedom means no need for permission.  Can you name an act that makes you more free, more self sufficient in which you do not need a license or some form of government approval before doing so?",
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      "body": "I'm becoming one of those people you are describing here, but I'd like to keep my mind open to the possibility that I'm wrong, so I keep on reading.\n\nMy impression is that you are somewhat exaggerating a valid point and that there exaggeration may not work in your favor, theoretically speaking. But that's a whole other issue.\n\nI guess the important question here is - what freedoms do we **no longer** have. Because if it is - as you say - that people won't say that it's a free country because they know it's not true, rather than it becoming a cliche for example.",
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      "body": "\"We have more freedom here than anywhere else!\"\n\nThis phrase seems to have taken the place of \"it's a free country\"...no one says that any more because everyone knows better.  Even the biggest flag waver who absolutely will not objectively view the actions of the United States doesn't say \"it's a free country\"-it has been replaced with comparing the U.S. to some other country.  It is usually said either angry or indignant when someone points out a ridiculous law or violent intrusion upon citizens' rights.  \n\n![angrygeek.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmSS7xAUuPXT3ktDj7RtMfkwjLb3dB4XJMZmSRDNGB5MEK/angrygeek.jpg)\n\nPutting aside for the moment that saying \"we have more freedom here than (some other country)!\" is a tacit admission that the US is not a free country and is no way any kind of defense of the law(s) in question let's examine it from another angle.  There IS truth in that saying what with Europe criminalizing tweets and arresting people for carrying anything sharper than a marble.  However, how does someone living under worse conditions make me more free?  No one has more freedom simply because someone has less.  In reality this statement is not patriotic but essentially a declarative statement of \"We are allowed by our overlords to do stuff other overlords wont allow.\"  In essence \"we have a good king here!\"\n\n![hail.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmaYNzi6upFST3oRDHR2abU11bPqJccfqrqFs8ncywodjt/hail.jpg)\n\n\nLet's get lazy and use the US slavery period as an example.  Let's say Plantation A is where slaves not only do all the work and hand over anything they produce but also have to kneel and bow their heads when their \"master\" walks by.  Now let's say there is a Plantation B where the slaves are not required to kneel and bow.  Are the people in Plantation B REALLY more free than Plantation A?  Does B need to become A before any valid criticisms can be launched at the plantation owner?  Will it even be permissible to do such a thing?\n\nThe reason why criticisms are leveled and discussions are had is because if you live on B then yeah-you DON'T want to get to A.  Merely wallowing in \"But we're more free than A!\" does fuck all to make people aware of their situation.  In fact it HELPS the overseers and plantation owners.   It perpetuates the idea that it isn't so bad.  The phrase actually hinders the desire for freedom in others.  The flag wavers and chest thumpers think they're doing the right thing but they're helping people accept the closing net.  \n\n![squeeze.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmUaUTt5ow4MPqmiNVmyuV16a7RTTg9Lb7qBceYzurCErx/squeeze.jpg)\n\nIt reminds me of scared children who hear a noise and tell themselves that it isn't the boogey man or something-only in this case the boogey man is real...and they know it.  Most of these people saying this garbage know damned well what's going on but are too stubborn or scared to accept it as reality.  Their defense mechanism kicks in-they want to be in the majority so they try and convince everyone that it's ok.  Well, some of us while still concerned and fearful are no longer interested in living the lie.  The encroachments are here, more are coming, and it will only be a matter of time before you need a new phrase to defend your oppressors.  Who knows what that slogan will be-my guess is something along the lines of \"They let us live-don't they?!\"\n\n![tumblr_nu8oelSWPG1spa9zuo4_500.gif](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmXtPk7LhiQtJYXUrsi36esQy27MNJ3273CNRPcUpaWepK/tumblr_nu8oelSWPG1spa9zuo4_500.gif)",
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      "body": "So you're anti-gun, good for you!  You also happen to be pro gun violence.  You didn't know?  Well consider me your guide...\n\nI'll open with a few questions so let's get in it shall we?\n\nWhich is a bigger threat to you:  A police officer pulling you over when your car matches the description of a violent, dangerous person and this makes him scared or...a man sitting miles away watching tv with a few guns in a safe upstairs?  Be honest.\n\nWhich one of those men above has societal permission to exercise deadly force when he just becomes \"scared enough\"?\n![197699.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmcsspEYezSYAyFe2o36ZcLPGH6Y4QTpBWYdKyvEtd4yQr/197699.jpg)\n\nWhy do you call the police when there is trouble if you do not believe in using guns-do you tell the police to leave their guns behind when solving your problems?  If not you absolutely believe in the use of guns to solve some problems, we agree here by the way...\n\nWould you want the police to bring AR-15 rifles if you felt the threat was that big?  You kind of have to say yes here otherwise the alternative is to let the rampaging murderer or whoever the threat is have the advantage in the fight-that's not smart really and it ties in nicely to my above question.\n\nWhat's that? government can be trusted with weapons?  Assuming you've never read a single history book and have come to that conclusion let's examine it.  Government is made up of people.  Whatever disqualifies a citizen from owning a weapon also disqualifies government agents...they are just people.  Really, they are-unless you believe in this...\n![banner.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmfHu1WCxn22AMQNKeEnW5Jw3ENLenuZxFVdD8TsqBFftb/banner.jpg)\n\nYou imagine them to be something more than normal.  They aren't.   Somehow you give them a pass.  Not only do you give them a pass but you want them to kick open my door and take any weapons I may have if you don't want me to have them.  It doesn't look like you've really thought about this to be honest.  Only the police should be armed but is that how it works?  Even in countries that have gun bans people are still murdered by use of guns...Those are real people.  Let's say you get your gun ban and that portion of victims who are still killed by a gun....imagine YOU are in that statistic.  What did you change?  Hell, it doesn't even matter, being murdered with a gun or being murdered by a baseball bat beating doesn't really matter does it?  The person is still dead.  Hell the gun is usually quicker...\n![gundam.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmcBRbe87fwXwSxLMoMdo72xLugDUw9nHQsfeMK5e4D19M/gundam.jpg)\n\n\nI'm really sick and tired of this nonsense.  I think you know that nothing you're asking for makes any kind of sense.  Just know that this is why people don't listen to you, don't take you seriously or make fun of you.  Not because they are heartless monsters but because you sound stupid to people who thought about this issue beyond a few slogans and blogs favorable to your views.  So long as you sit there thinking one group of people is fine to be armed and the other isn't when there is NOTHING to back this claim you will be seen as dumb.  It isn't that \"gun owners are stubborn\" or \"they care more about guns than kids\" or whatever you tell yourself to feel morally justified.  It's that most people have thought this through and your ideas are not only violent but counter-productive.\n\nYes, violent.  As I mentioned earlier you're totally ok with gun violence as long as the police are using it against citizens to take their guns away.  Yeah what did you think would happen?  Trump would come out there in a wizard robe and hat with a wand and once he waved it all the icky guns just disappear?  In order to take things by force you need....duh-force.    The fact that gun owners do not see you as an immediate threat akin to a person hiring a hitman or mercenary speaks volumes about their patience, understanding, and yes compassion.  Afterall the gun owners aren't wanting to send the police to your door for ANY reason now are they?  You are the violent one.  You are the heartless monster.  You would be ok with someone being killed by the police for just peacefully owning something you disapprove of.  I don't care if you carried a sign and claim to care about kids-your proposed solution will result in violence.  There is no escaping this fact.  Enjoy the rest of your day knowing this.",
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