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      "body": "Great post, and good conversation.\n\nHere's the thing you have to realize though. Like all good forms of \"art\" there are many different genres, creators and levels in which you can get your porn in. I agree whole-heartedly with your comments here, but only in relation with \"pop\" porn. \n\nThink of it like music. As with music, porn has it's Pop, Country, Metal, Indie, and all have different flavors while the core is the same. I've come to find porn is the same way, but agree that most the porn is centered around this false dichotomy of male vs female pleasure. \n\nThanks to the internet, is much easier to find the porn that is more true to what real sex, intimacy, is like. I think the education of those consuming has also increased  because of this. \n\nSo my point to all this is you have to be careful with our proposed protests of the industry as there is a whole section that is producing great, honest, porn that you'll alienate at the same time. \n\nIf I was asked to pick a solution, I would always pick education without insulting. You don't want to alienate the good producers and more than that, you don't want to alienate the consumer because their first reaction would be to reject anything you say.",
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      "body": "I will say that I was predicting Hillary would win.    I was not happy about that as I think she is one very evil lady, but I was pretty sure she would win and had been tapped to win.    The leaks revealing collusion in the DNC to make her beat Bernie Sanders just further cemented that.\n\nI voted third party.   I didn't endorse either of them, but had I been forced I would choose Trump over Hillary any day.   It also had nothing to do with her gender.   I'd choose a random woman off the street before I chose Hillary.   I did far too much of my own research on her, and knew she was bad news from actual ACTIONS not simply things that were said.\n\nSo I was actually pleasantly surprised to see her lose.   I was glad to be wrong, though from the way the media lashed out and the way she lashed out, and the hypocrisy involved I believe what I THOUGHT WOULD HAPPEN was actually the plan.    It just failed.    Perhaps for the first time in a very long time.\n\nI could not have predicted the state of affairs we are in now.\n\nI see most of their actions as an establishment and its propaganda arm flailing about like wild trying to figure out why it didn't work this time.   Their solution, try more of the same type of stuff that failed.",
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      "body": "> Changing your argument on me? ;)\n\nYeah, since <a href=\"https://www.facebook.com/bestoked/posts/10154724169370568?comment_id=10154724309215568&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R1%22%7D\">we already covered some ground on Facebook</a>, I thought I'd approach it from a different angle. :)\n\n> However, yes, our reaction as a society is often times projected based on our biases typically formed from our media consumption.\n\nIt's not just that, though. I've seen stuff that suggests empathy plays a big role and we are more connected to species that look like us and less so to those that don't (regardless of their level of consciousness). Like the raven's I mentioned above. Lions do need attention, but it was only \"Cecil\", named, loved, community lion which caused so much outrage. Endangered species die every day without that much attention.",
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